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As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by _blz2 »

thebradbain wrote: post #113
costanzaDynasty wrote: post #25

Stop blaming AI for the last decade of insulting and attacking your customers while offering quantity over quality. You've also diminished all your IPs to the point that fans don't care. Any criticism was shouted down. But the rot was there and audiences have moved on.

Your complaint is at the studios, including Netflix, then. They’re the ones who own the IP, they’re the ones who decide to use it. The actors have absolutely no say in whether Disney decides to make another Marvels movie or not. Actors are the ones looking for a gig, often any gig, but when they have a choice, the highest paying gig. And believe me, every actor and writer in Hollywood wishes studios would invest more…

So they are like the software engineers who work on things like web-environment-integrity? Not sure why that calls for any sort of sympathy.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by jstarfish »

mucle6 wrote: post #105
ajkjk wrote: post #87

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> other people making large sums of money shouldn't make you upset. Why not? It clearly shows that there is a screw loose. Or put differently: it reminds us of the fundamental truth that in society, people without power get as little as is available to keep them alive and sometimes less, and people with power (in this case, the power of a good negotiating position) get as much as is available to pay them. The world d…

:s/power/ability to create value/ Anyone who can create returns greater than their cost of capital creates value. A screw isn't loose. If you can figure out how to add value to the world, then you get endless riches. > "People without power get as little as is available to keep them alive" Consider using less hyperbole in your worldview. Today has the highest living standards of any time.

> Consider using less hyperbole in your worldview. Today has the highest living standards of any time.

And yet the suicide rate keeps ticking upward. All is not well in Paradise Earth.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by bugglebeetle »

wiseowise wrote: post #109
bugglebeetle wrote: post #66

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Nothing Netflix is or has ever done is urgent or important.

> Nothing Netflix is or has ever done is urgent or important. Millions of people enjoying their content will disagree. And I'm not even talking about completely transforming content streaming industry.

Millions of people will simply switch to whatever other circus is put in front of them, as they have since the invention of the television.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by wiseowise »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #133
wiseowise wrote: post #109

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> Nothing Netflix is or has ever done is urgent or important. Millions of people enjoying their content will disagree. And I'm not even talking about completely transforming content streaming industry.

Millions of people will simply switch to whatever other circus is put in front of them, as they have since the invention of the television.

Doesn't make them unimportant.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by JieJie »

128bytes wrote: post #82
bamfly wrote: post #61

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The luddites lost, sure—but industrialization did make an absolute shit-ton of people miserable until the labor movement clawed back some of those productivity gains for the workers and curbed the worst abuses committed by capital. If we don't see another wave of reforms soon—which is sure to require labor action!—a whole bunch of folks are in for another rough time (stretching to entire lives, as it did last time) w…

i don't think a little syndicalism is going to cut it this time, because it's about a lot more than labor now

Don't leave me hanging, given that we are in a "for all the marbles" point in the game of civilization, what's the next move?

I want to believe there's something better than, "Stop the world, I want to get off."

What is the compelling alternative to this somewhat unrestricted growth we have currently going on? I know there's lots of "if only we just..."s, but what's the implementation plan? How do we install socialism on hardware that was built to run capitalism and seems to be running super well, except for all the pollution it causes?

I support the artists and writers, the creatives and creators, hell, I even support the social media influencers, but this strike is a stopgap, if that. What's our plan? What can we offer the capitalists to get them on board with it, other than the guillotine option?

Is that all we really have to offer? I have to believe we have more than, "be nicer to people, or we'll kill you".

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Post by HDThoreaun »

tw04 wrote: post #123
restion wrote: post #112

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automation and outsourcing gave lower prices on products for literally everyone

The average price of a home as a percentage of income has not lowered at all. Who cares if you can get a shitty Walmart branded TV that will last for 5 years before you have to throw it away, when you have no house to put it in?

Housing is expensive because local politics encourages exclusionary zoning. It has nothing to do with labor rights and everything to do with NIMBYs

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by thebradbain »

_blz2 wrote: post #131
thebradbain wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your complaint is at the studios, including Netflix, then. They’re the ones who own the IP, they’re the ones who decide to use it. The actors have absolutely no say in whether Disney decides to make another Marvels movie or not. Actors are the ones looking for a gig, often any gig, but when they have a choice, the highest paying gig. And believe me, every actor and writer in Hollywood wishes studios would invest more…

So they are like the software engineers who work on things like web-environment-integrity? Not sure why that calls for any sort of sympathy.

They’re not asking for sympathy. All employees in any industry, union or not, have the choice to work, or not.

Actors here are just collectively using that power to withhold their work in order to negotiate a better deal, as is their right. They’re not asking for sympathy, they’re demanding studios meet them at the negotiating table. If they’re wrong about how important they are, then studios will continue to disregard their demands until SAG eventually folds— my guess, though, is that actors know they’re more important en masse to studios than studios are to them, or else studios would’ve refused to exclusively work with SAG along ago.

After all, most actors are very used to having second jobs to make ends meet. They can work other jobs or more hours or whatever else they want to do during the strike. Studios are the ones with corporate 9-5 employees who won’t have anything productive to do or show their shareholders the longer the strike goes on.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by 128bytes »

JieJie wrote: post #135
128bytes wrote: post #82

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i don't think a little syndicalism is going to cut it this time, because it's about a lot more than labor now

Don't leave me hanging, given that we are in a "for all the marbles" point in the game of civilization, what's the next move? I want to believe there's something better than, "Stop the world, I want to get off." What is the compelling alternative to this somewhat unrestricted growth we have currently going on? I know there's lots of "if only we just..."s, but what's the implementation plan? How do we install socialis…

Oh you've misunderstood, I'm not a socialist.

I do not support writers and creatives who profit from intellectual 'property', they are themselves a part of the problem. I reject the notion that workers are free from blame for their participation in the system.

A good first step to solving much of society's problems, including this is to nuke the financial sector from orbit, companies like Netflix and Universal will then go bankrupt and their employees will be forced to do something that is more beneficial for society, instead of contributing to the useless glut of for-profit entertainment.

Furthermore, transhumanists should be persecuted for their anti-human beliefs especially for creating human likeness, until their beliefs are erradicated.

None of these are easy solutions, but if solutions were easy we would not have reached this point.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

wiseowise wrote: post #114
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #33

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People here are being complacent. I’m willing to bet all my money that a savvy startup will log all your keystrokes and train an AI model on all the code you’ve ever written - for your employer or otherwise - and create an AI agent that can code just like you. You will no longer be needed. And it will be far easier to implement than an AI actor. All of it will happen within 10 years. Which, as far as job security goe…

What makes you think that? Seriously, what kind of job do you do on a day to day basis to even remotely consider possibility of this?

You’re really underestimating the incentives at play and the amount of change that can happen in 10 years.

Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job

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Post by namarie »

128bytes wrote: post #138
JieJie wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't leave me hanging, given that we are in a "for all the marbles" point in the game of civilization, what's the next move? I want to believe there's something better than, "Stop the world, I want to get off." What is the compelling alternative to this somewhat unrestricted growth we have currently going on? I know there's lots of "if only we just..."s, but what's the implementation plan? How do we install socialis…

Oh you've misunderstood, I'm not a socialist. I do not support writers and creatives who profit from intellectual 'property', they are themselves a part of the problem. I reject the notion that workers are free from blame for their participation in the system. A good first step to solving much of society's problems, including this is to nuke the financial sector from orbit, companies like Netflix and Universal will t…

So, just to be clear, your "good first step to solving much of society's problems" is... ending most forms of entertainment?
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