Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

Post by aziaziazi » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:03 AM UTC

MandieD wrote: post #50

_Algernon_ wrote: post #36

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Removing subsidies on meat production and flying are the systemic variants of those individual choices. People would be vegan no-flyers in no time.

Or we’d return to the meat/travel consumption patterns of the early 20th century: trans-Atlantic trips being a once-in-a-lifetime thing or once-every-few-years for the well-off, and the Sunday roast/chicken being the highlight meal of the week.

Post by darkteflon » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:08 AM UTC

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psychphysic wrote: post #75

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Thanks for posting the link so I could see the article. I did only skim it, and I'm surprised. I don't think it's an unreasonable criticism for 1997. But that's over a quarter of a century ago. He accepts CO2 is probably released by humans and apparently at a rate the sinks can't cope. He accepts that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses can lead to warming. But says that the data thus far had not borne out global warming…

Perhaps you're young. I'm 60 and have spent much of my life in geophysics applied to energy and minerals exploration, in the development of earth scale GIS mapping and computation tools, etc. In 1980 in computational dynamics classes looking at geophysics it was accepted that the volumes of CO2 being released were at a scale that would trap more energy and that steps need to be taken to reduce free CO2. This was scop…

Post by Aerroon » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:09 AM UTC

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #40

Aerroon wrote: post #38

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But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.

That seems disingenuous when the climate catastrophe is going to have far greater effects on modern life. Too many people are clinging to the dream of continuing to dig out and burn as much oil as possible when it's clear that that behaviour is not sustainable. Although personal responsibility is never a bad thing, we need to focus on the big companies that have been deliberately hiding climate science for decades -…

Post by Ygg2 » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:22 AM UTC

noduerme wrote: post #88

psychphysic wrote: post #61

No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming. - Build nuclear power plants everywhere . Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea - Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap. - Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. You will not get everything yo…

Just stop having babies.

Post by Ygg2 » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:32 AM UTC

myshpa wrote: post #126

MrVandemar wrote: post #122

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>You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. One of these things is not like the other. Vegan diets — and I support them in principle — do little or nothing to reduce carbon emissions. Vegan diets just don't deliver enough calories and essential nutrients without (industrial) supplementation, and veganism depe…

Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time. It's clear as day you're wrong. It's the most impactful thing you can as an individual do. We need to stop fossil fuels asap, stop animal ag (deforestation, pollution, biodiversity loss, etc.), reform agriculture (soils, biodiversity, poisons) and start reforesting/afforesting. There are tons of studies t…