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Biggest problem with the Mac mini is it has no user upgradable parts, nuc does.
That’s less of an issue than the price.
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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
#132I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time).
I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still running as a backup.
BUT: I really think the times of the NUC are over. Media-PCs are getting less important (Netflix, etc.). With dedicated boxes like Apple-TV and TV Recording they hardly play a role any more and for home servers there are better alternatives.
I recently invested some money into a used Fujitsu D3417 + Xeon homeserver and it runs Proxmox at 9.3W Idle. The performance is just on another level than any NUC with the same price tag and because it is upgradable and supports ECC RAM, the only drawback is it's size.
I'm still questioning the industry, why they don't provide affordable ITX or smaller sized boards with enough space for ECC (!) RAM and two or more NVMe-Slots as low power low cost Micro-Server appliance. Newer AMD Ryzen does inofficially support ECC but the Idle Power consumption is pretty high. This could be a niche, I would definitely get one of these, if it was good quality (like the DELL, HP or Fujitsu Servers). These boards exist, but they are nearly impossible to get anywhere. An example would be the Gigabyte C246N-WU2, which does run at an unbelievable Idle consumption of less than 8W [2]
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dVdm3OjME
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFurC_HDlKM (German)
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having to spend $200 per 8GB of RAM and $200 per 256GB of storage like it's still 2012 pretty much destroys any value proposition from Apple.
You can put a 4tb drive on a USB port.
Such hacks just to get trapped in apples ecosystem? How can that be appealing?
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
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I would remove the word "inexpensive". Many alternatives cost less. I know people buy Intel for brand, quality and warranty but definitely not price.
I bought for price - a max mini would have been better but ludicrously expensive.
I think the poster above you meant other mini PCs by non-Apple manufacturers.
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
#135Anyone using a NUC as a mini home server? How is it? or if you use something else as mini server what? and why? I keep thinking of getting something which I can run multiple vms as needed for things like game servers, hosting docker containers, etc. load it up with a bunch of memory. I don't want anything too big/power hungry given most of the time it would likely sit idle.
The power consumption of an idle "Wall Street Canyon" 12th-generation model is almost negligible. At the SoC, often less than half a watt. At the wall, less than 5 watts typical, most of which is being wasted in the AC/DC conversion.
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
#136It's funny and sad how the NUC started as a super small form factor device but eventually ended up as mini-ITX. Intel's own models have been mini-itx for years now. That said, I see zero reason to buy anything Intel as AMD is spanking them pretty much everywhere. That may change soon if rumours of hoarding all the latest EXE machines are true.
Most NUCs aren't anywhere near as large as a mini-ITX. The larger ones are the enthusiast models that nobody bought. The NUCs they actually sold millions of are the ones that are 4 inches square and an inch tall.
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Are the minis upgradeable? My nuc now has an nvme drive and a 2.5" ssd, and I've upped it to 32gb ram for some light vmware work. On the other side of spectrum I have a few cheap nucs with celeron for media tv and streaming purposes. If I read it correctly, Mac mini is 800cad for 8gb ram and 256 sdd.
I understand, but I feel like nucs always end up at this weird, “I’m going to drop 200 on ram, 200 on a ssd and have a 700-900 dollar thing that has no second hand value and really isn’t that powerful”. I remember throttling being an issue as well. Add a custom heat sink and some thermal paste? (50-100 more..) It just feels like you’re paper cutting your way into a more expensive system. Not sure on small form factor…
"No second hand value"?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=NUC11TNKi7&_s...
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
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With one of the third party cases, such as those from Akasa, they are nice inexpensive fanless machines with excellent Linux support and low power consumption.
I would remove the word "inexpensive". Many alternatives cost less. I know people buy Intel for brand, quality and warranty but definitely not price.
What would be some of the alternatives? I don't even need a gpu. It will be a home server.
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
#139Other than gaming the only 3 intel machines I bought is intel stick like and later small box shape machine. I think it must be quite successful as I am a mac person. Sad to see it gone because it has its use.
Surprise to see it survive. Strange. Does intel has a network to know. I start to worry now.
Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products
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The Intel creates a lot more heat though. If the noise/performances ratio is important or if energy consumption is something you care about, the Intel solution doesn’t seem that interesting.
For noise, you could budget about $100 for a fanless case for the NUC.
Wouldn’t it run slow? The Intel CPU data sheet says it emits 95W of heat in "turbo" mode. Is there fanless NUC cases capable to dissipate that amount of heat, without even thinking about the other sources of heat?