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Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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post #80

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House ownership is very different among the European countries. I think it's somewhat rare in Germany and Austria, but you don't need to be very wealthy to own a house in France or Belgium for example. And you are allowed to install A/C, in fact heat pumps are very much recommended for new builds, almost mandatory even given the tight energy requirements today and it's becoming common enough to use a reversible one.

Why is housing so much cheaper in France and Belgium?

It might not necessarily be cheaper but people have more generational wealth due hsitorically much higher home ownership rates. e.g. even Italians are much wealthier per capita than Germans. If we look at the median of course (the mean is comparable since inequality is much higher in Germany). Germans are just gennerally pretty poor and clooser to Greece or many east European countries than to France or Belgium.

The Belgians on the other hand are the 4th richest people in the world, and also Belgium has one of the lowest levels of wealth inequality. So it's much easier to inherit a home or at least enough cash for a downpayment.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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I've read this comment (or variations of it) so many times I am starting to wonder if it's a joke that I'm missing. Or simply propaganda. I understand that you are in tech and are happy with your position, but consider the lives of millions who are unemployed, or those who can't afford to turn their AC on or fix their car when it breaks down. Not to mention how much prices have increased.

Europeans have a strong ability to cope for their declining standards of life. They’ll mention how about they have great cities/safety/etc but you’ll notice they never say which city/country exactly they’re talking about (as in let’s pretend all of Europe is Switzerland)

To be honest, it seems that living standards are declining all around most of the developed countries. The USA is very much included in that.

Some developing nations have seen living standards raise, mostly because the baseline comparison to 20-30 years ago was pretty low (China, India, Brazil, etc.).

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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> NAME REDACTED, a 31-year-old anesthesiologist living in Manchester, England, earns about £51,000 ($67,000) per year for a 48-hour workweek. Inflation, which has been about 10% or higher in the U.K. for nearly a year, is devouring his monthly budget, he says. That's insane. AFAIK, Anesthesiologists in the US make $400k/year MINIMUM. (I redacted their name to prevent them from backlinking to this site.)

Brief googling gives Average base salary £100,082

the guy in 51k probably just started in the job.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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>Imagine Europe and Russia aligned, such that Schengen stretched from The Hague to Anadyr. >Russia and Europe getting along would be great for the world. Russia has _no_ interest in getting along with anybody else in the world and seek to dominate. When their insidious plans started to fail in Ukraine they resorted to force. Why on earth would European counties _ever_ align with such a despotic collection of peoples?…

>Russia has _no_ interest in getting along with anybody else in the world and seek to dominate. That is false and entirely a prejudiced idea. Your three minutes hate is over.

Is it? When was the last time Russia wasn't trying to be an expansionist empire?

Just saying that something is "false" is really not enough to disprove it.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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"Superpower" implies an ability and willingness to influence the rest of the world. Europe couldn't even align with itself to intercede in Bosnia, they just left it to a very reluctant United States. Joe Biden said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwYVKptqH_o#t=0m54s

The jury is still out, in Europe, on whether or not the US should be allowed to commit another Bosnia-scale war crime.

You're thinking about Bosnia or Serbia/Kosovo? Because these were different conflicts...

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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>They are becoming poorer

Seems dubious and based of a drop of 3% or so in real incomes between 2019 and 2022 caused by covid and the Ukraine war raising energy prices. Those are mostly over now - covid and the energy prices - and Europe will recover.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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post #86

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Europe, with the exception of the countries directly bordering Russia and Greece (buying weapons to point at fellow NATO member Turkey), has spent decades underinvesting in national defense, arguably freeloading under American hegemony. Now that that's coming to an end, expect things to get worse.

Freeloading? The USA spends massive amounts on its military exactly to maintain hegemony, European countries weren't going around the globe to fight pointless wars based on shaky (or completely fabricated) casus belli. There was no reason to spend a lot of tax money on military equipment, training, upkeep, just because. Russia's complete invasion of Ukraine shook Europe's defence outlook and created a reason to inves…

European nations were not paying the percentage of GDP on defense as they promised.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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post #13

I moved from the US to Europe a year ago and I think articles like this don't capture quality of life in Europe well. Just think about healthier food, walkable cities, great public transportation, safety, free education and healthcare. The way I see it, life in Europe is less stressful and more enjoyable than in the US. Having less money translates into having a smaller house or a car, but in my opinion that doesn't…

As a European, I can still believe this is true (maybe this is some kind of coping mechanism), but at the same time, I got the impression, that overall healthcare, education, safety nets are getting worse as time goes by, so I don't know how long it will stay an advantage. At some point, you need to have the mean to finance these services, so stagnating GDP is not that good.

> At some point, you need to have the mean to finance these services, so stagnating GDP is not that good.

Shouldn't a stagnating GDP translate to a stagnating quantity/quality of services? If things are getting worse while GDP stagnates, it appears that there is a gross mismanagement of the same amount of resources.

And I'd dare to say, that this mismanagement typically boils down to the privatization of (previously) predominantly publicly-operated sectors. A soon as the publicly-operated provider shuts down, profiteering starts.

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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This is outright silly - russia is structurally incapable of sustaining many sectors of economy. Russian businessmen are routinely forced to flee the country or tortured in prison. The first thing anyone in Russia does, if they’ve made money, is they buy real estate in Europe. The vassal-ish relationship would not be functional, it would not work for Russians themselves. Nor is there are reason to believe Russia woul…

There are literally no responses to this idea that aren't kneejerk reactionary agitprop. Clearly, nobody has really thought about this concept sufficiently well enough to understand its extensive merits...

So please name some of these extensive merits..

> reactionary agitprop.

Right...

Re: Europeans Are Becoming Poorer

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post #138
post #13

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As a European, I can still believe this is true (maybe this is some kind of coping mechanism), but at the same time, I got the impression, that overall healthcare, education, safety nets are getting worse as time goes by, so I don't know how long it will stay an advantage. At some point, you need to have the mean to finance these services, so stagnating GDP is not that good.

> At some point, you need to have the mean to finance these services, so stagnating GDP is not that good. Shouldn't a stagnating GDP translate to a stagnating quantity/quality of services? If things are getting worse while GDP stagnates, it appears that there is a gross mismanagement of the same amount of resources. And I'd dare to say, that this mismanagement typically boils down to the privatization of (previously)…

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