This is what happens when you give a single company monopoly over your computing. I know there's a lot of apple fans around here, but I think it's largely social proof, apple products are jewelry in my eyes. Why anyone would develop for such an unpredicrably restrictive platform is beyond me. Apple is just too controlled for my taste. If I developed mobile apps I wouldn't even try to build an iPhone version.
Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the section you quote tells the whole story > If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. > Apps may use in-app purchase currencies to enable customers to “tip” the developer or digital content providers in the app. Using "must" f…
I'm outside of the edit window on this comment otherwise I would make this more prominent, but way below in the "Other" section they do actually have a "monetary gift" rule that aligns with what the dev says: > (vii) Apps may enable individual users to give a monetary gift to another individual without using in-app purchase, provided that (a) the gift is a completely optional choice by the giver, and (b) 100% of the…
Considering that, the only other thing I could think Apple sees is that the tip partially goes to the developer, making (b) false. But then: https://twitter.com/damusapp/status/1673347949718548487
Seems like the developer has a strong case, assuming these statements are truthful.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can always give people an effective way to sideload applications.
Which will unravel the App Store. Because the benefits of side loading on iOS are so massive that everyone will use it i.e. you can use private APIs, bypass Apple's privacy controls, implement device tracking, harvest data e.g. contacts. It's going to be a huge transfer of power and wealth back to the likes of Meta, Epic etc
None of those seem like benefits to the iPhone owner; why wouldn't I use the App Store?
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#134Imagine doing all that work to just hinge your fate on the least open, least aligned platform to your app's and app protocol's declared raison d'être. Do these people really believe that the cypherpunk ethos involves being an Apple bootlicker? I don't get it.
I mean anyone who would work on or with a google platform certainly isn’t. They’re the least cypherpunk, most bland and corporate, evil tech corp I can think of that makes consumer hardware outside of MAYBE Meta.
Android (more strictly, AOSP) is an open source linux based operating system that can be used standalone with no google shenanigans whatsoever. I don't like google either, but at least I can use whatever software I want on my machine. To say android is as restrictive or more restrictive than Apple is to be disconnected from reality. To say that using Android is less cyberpunk than using a completely vertically integrated system like the iPhone with it's thousand dollar accessories because "evilcorp" is absurd.
Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the section you quote tells the whole story > If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. > Apps may use in-app purchase currencies to enable customers to “tip” the developer or digital content providers in the app. Using "must" f…
I'm outside of the edit window on this comment otherwise I would make this more prominent, but way below in the "Other" section they do actually have a "monetary gift" rule that aligns with what the dev says: > (vii) Apps may enable individual users to give a monetary gift to another individual without using in-app purchase, provided that (a) the gift is a completely optional choice by the giver, and (b) 100% of the…
Oh, that could change things.
Although I think it still depends on what Apple means by "associated at any point in time with receiving digital content or services". I think they may be intending to allow something like GoFundMe or Venmo, while disallowing something like Reddit gold where users give gifts based on the digital content created even though that content isn't gated by payment.
Perhaps the developer's use of Bitcoin complicates things as well. Does Apple consider that a "monetary gift" or "digital content" or both?
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might be simplistic or ignorant - but does the essential core of crypto boil down to having a public trust ledger? Could a use case of crypto (and NFTs) be a replacement for PGP? This whole signing a physical product to prove it's official kind of sounds like PGP but I only have a 10000 foot view and don't know much about PGP other than you sign stuff and people can cryptographically verify that you actually sig…
> does the essential core of crypto boil down to having a public trust ledger? A blockchain is a public trust ledger that is uncensorable because everyone who wants to can get both a copy of a random sampling of the messages pushed to it (by p2p node gossip of the txpool) and then also a copy of the canonical state (by p2p gossip of the chain-head; the ability of nodes to fetch previous blocks by content-hash; and th…
> No, because the point is that you get to know who sold them the RAM chips that went into the device, because the RAM chip vendor digitally signed the sale of those chips to them, and their repair job "consumes" that item in their own digital inventory to convert one manifest (representing all the parts in a phone with bad RAM) into another manifest (representing all the parts in a phone with good RAM.) The provenance of the replaced RAM chips "travels within" the provenance of the repaired phone. It's a tree of component sourcing, not just a log of repairs.
Thank you and apologies for all the questions! I'm very fascinated by this but not sure where to start. Is this part of the chain-of-provenance you spoke about?
Also wondering if you have anything helpful to share to learn more. I'm really curious about how the "consume" part works in practice. I was trying to get at a situation where someone fixes the RAM but doesn't update the inventory? Or if you lost your phone, do you have to report it lost to invalidate the manifest? I'm also struggling to imagine what happens when the RAM goes bad? Does that phone with bad RAM get a new signature? How does the phone turn from a phone that works into a phone with bad RAM digitally?
Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
#137Choose one: 1. Full-on libre: speech, financial flows, technical architecture, etc. (i.e., basically the entire raison d'être for Nostr) -or- 2. Live and work inside the walled garden of Apple + Google's app stores You really can't have it both ways.
I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap. Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.
Why does sending Bitcoin peer to peer within an app offend you so much? Are there any other areas where you are this authoritarian?
Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
#138Can't they just remove or ban anything cryptocurrency and Bitcoin? That would be fantastic as it has no place on the App Store.
Anything else you want banned just because you don't like it authoritarian? If you don't like it just don't use it. You're financially privileged, just stick to your transactions your bank let you do and let other people do what they want.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm outside of the edit window on this comment otherwise I would make this more prominent, but way below in the "Other" section they do actually have a "monetary gift" rule that aligns with what the dev says: > (vii) Apps may enable individual users to give a monetary gift to another individual without using in-app purchase, provided that (a) the gift is a completely optional choice by the giver, and (b) 100% of the…
Oh, that could change things. Although I think it still depends on what Apple means by "associated at any point in time with receiving digital content or services". I think they may be intending to allow something like GoFundMe or Venmo, while disallowing something like Reddit gold where users give gifts based on the digital content created even though that content isn't gated by payment. Perhaps the developer's use…
> Perhaps the developer's use of Bitcoin complicates things as well.
I was thinking about that, the transaction fees alone would mean that less than 100% is going to the recipient.
Even more confusing, Patreon's entire business model is taking a cut of donations associated with access to content and they seem to still be exempt:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/22/patreon-doesnt-pa...
Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, domain names have existed since forever, but I don't see how crypto domain names are any different or changes anything. Does a domain name need a token attached to the service in order to operate? I would say it is still a scam as it is airdropping ENS tokens that were minted out of thin air and insiders pump and dumping the token to make a profit. You can't do that illegal stuff with traditional domain names.
AFAIU the token is only needed in case you want to participate in the voting of governance events, related to the roadmap of the ENS project. You don't need ENS tokens to register or use ENS domains. IMO the token might be an illegal security indeed; and if that's the case I hope the SEC crushes them. But in the meantime I'll be using ENS names happily as a user and watch the events with popcorn. > but I don't see ho…
"It will prevent that a big corp with the court on their side redirect your domain-bought-in-a-complete-legit way to them."
No, it will absolutely not. It does not matter what method of accounting or voting you use, you will be made to comply with a court order. If you don't comply, you're going to prison.