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Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by dmarchand90 »

sph wrote: post #128
Lewton wrote: post #95

@dang anything mentioning Wagner group is being flagged off the main page, I could see why some people would react that way when there’s a 20 articles shared about the same thing in an hour, but it’s a bit disturbing that there’s currently zero articles on the front page about this

Quit using HN for general news. Go to your favourite news website, they all have a live section about this unfolding event. I could not care less what software engineers have to say on the matter.

There is precedent for hackernews covering unusually large and important events. Covid, Jan 6th, the start of the Ukraine War. I don't see the problem with some general news of large scale importance, e.g., a hostile mercenary force is a 4 hour drive away from the capital of the state with the largest supply of nuclear weapons

Agree we shouldn't lose focus but this seems rare and important enough to be worth discussing.

From the guidelines of what is off-topic "Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon."

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

oneshtein wrote: post #124
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm not saying we should somehow care more about Russians than about anyone else. I just don't think Putin nuking cities with millions of people would be hilarious in any sense of the word, and I don't see how that changes based on which side of the border it's on.

Basically, you say that if two killers will shoot each one, then it's the exact same tragedy as when they shot innocents. In your eyes, offender and defender are both innocent people.

No, this is not what I said. It's so far from what I said or even implied, I'm not even sure how to explain it in a way you won't completely twist around.

I guess this will suffice: a nuclear assault by the Russian state, on Russian soil, is not "two killers shooting eachother"; whether they're aiming for Wagner group is irrelevant, since it would also kill thousands if not millions of civilians. Hence, it is an act of genocide.

I thought this was completely obvious, so I left it implied, but clearly things need to be spelled out to the nth degree around here.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

oneshtein wrote: post #123
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite disturbed that you think a nuclear genocide on the Russian people would be "hilarious". It would be a humanitarian disaster and an almost unprecedented tragedy. Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people.

Nuclear genocide != nuclear suicide. Russian people started the war. Majority of Russians support war with Ukraine even today, with hope that they kill all Ukrainians and occupy their territory, to show their power to Rotten West. They sad that their leader is too weak to nuke Washington and London.

"...it is distressing to see the [British] press grovelling in the gutter as low as Goebbels in his prime, shrieking that any German commander who holds out in a desperate situation (when, too, the military needs of his side clearly benefit) is a drunkard, and a besotted fanatic. ... There was a solemn article in the local [Oxford] paper seriously advocating systematic exterminating of the entire German nation as the only proper course after military victory: because, if you please, they are rattlesnakes, and don't know the difference between good and evil! (What of the writer?) The Germans have just as much right to declare the Poles and Jews exterminable vermin, subhuman, as we have to select the Germans: in other words, no right, whatever they have done."

J.R.R. Tolkien, 1944, in a letter to his son, commenting on British war-time propaganda.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by vernon99 »

brutusborn wrote: post #53

Does anyone have sources for this stuff? I am seeing a lot of conjecture and not a lot of substance. Is this whole thing based on a couple telegram videos? Is there anything to suggest they aren’t just propaganda deepfakes?

https://t.me/milinfolive

Here’s a pretty good source of almost realtime updates, one of the large pro-war Tg channels. If you are on paid Telegram membership, I think it allows to translate all content.

Not a fan of such media, but I’m from Rostov area so had to subscribe today to stay tuned.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by bitcharmer »

Lewton wrote: post #95

@dang anything mentioning Wagner group is being flagged off the main page, I could see why some people would react that way when there’s a 20 articles shared about the same thing in an hour, but it’s a bit disturbing that there’s currently zero articles on the front page about this

The main page is heavily curated by dang and only features what he likes. For actual popular content I just go to /active

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #57
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If January 6th disorganized mob breaching into government building can be considered a coup, then organized military force taking control over 2 major cities in Russia is definitely a coup.

I think Prighozin is as insane as the idiots who thought they could interfere with the count, and I have no idea if he's seriously considering taking out Putin. But let's be clear, the crowd breaking into the Capitol wasn't the entirety of the coup attempt, and even to write that part down as just a disorganised mob is incorrect. What was going on is better understood as an autogolpe -- a self-coup. It had several pr…

To clarify: the fact that I think Prighozin is insane shouldn't be read as support for Putin.

But he's a madman whose organisation has committed atrocities in several countries; if he is Russia's hope for an end to Putin, that is not a good scenario.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by ModernMech »

bitcharmer wrote: post #136
Lewton wrote: post #95

@dang anything mentioning Wagner group is being flagged off the main page, I could see why some people would react that way when there’s a 20 articles shared about the same thing in an hour, but it’s a bit disturbing that there’s currently zero articles on the front page about this

The main page is heavily curated by dang and only features what he likes. For actual popular content I just go to /active

Almost 10 years on HN and I've never known about this. Thanks.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by shepherdjerred »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #104
ilyt wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I ran out of fucks somewhere in the middle of COVID. Them nuking their own army/PMC themselves would be small price if that ended Ukraine's conflict > Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people. I'm vilifying their leadership. But I'm still amazed there is no revolt there

>I'm villifying their leadership. Do you think the nukes would hit the Kreml? Or potentially millions of innocent civilians?

At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for what the country's military is doing?

Note: not advocating for a nuclear genocide, but I do feel that citizens become culpable if they are allowing their country to stop on others and they aren't protesting or emigrating (if possible)

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Post by ModernMech »

dmarchand90 wrote: post #131
sph wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit using HN for general news. Go to your favourite news website, they all have a live section about this unfolding event. I could not care less what software engineers have to say on the matter.

There is precedent for hackernews covering unusually large and important events. Covid, Jan 6th, the start of the Ukraine War. I don't see the problem with some general news of large scale importance, e.g., a hostile mercenary force is a 4 hour drive away from the capital of the state with the largest supply of nuclear weapons Agree we shouldn't lose focus but this seems rare and important enough to be worth discussi…

Slashdot used to get complaints like this all the time (maybe still does, wouldn't know). They would be followed by a recitation of the Slashdot motto: "News for nerds, stuff that matters. This is a story that matters." Usually shut people up immediately. HN also suffers nerds not wanting to hear about anything except nerd shit, but we don't have a handy shorthand to shut down these tedious complaints.
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