Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?
Likely crushed and incinerated into ash (air will get very hot) all in less than 100ms.
Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago
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#132If there was no mention of it, I would assume they heard it and did not way to disclose the accuracy of their kit.
When it is "leaked" I assume they heard nothing and don't want to disclose the (in)accuracy of their kit.
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#133I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.
If it's only "probably destroyed" then it's perfectly reasonable to hold off on an announcement and to keep looking for a few days.
You wouldn't want to tell the families that their relatives are dead and then go home without making sure you did what you could.
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#134This article is written in a strange way. > The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. "Began listening" -- So OceanGate actually contacted the Coast Guard immediately? > Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its find…
Began listening: maybe someone started listening to the recordings, or started analyzing them at that point.
It's hard to believe their systems aren't just constantly recording and triangulating sounds to give a radar-like view of any subs they find out there.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they wanted to at least give a few days to find conclusive proof (wreckage) so they could inform the family's before all of us?
"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..." This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?
Because dealing with it internally and informing the public are two entirely different things.
They may well have told the families some things, but not the public. Afterall this is a privately funded venture and the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either. They owe us nothing.
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#136I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.
My first thought was it was the perfect cover to increase increase patrols on looking for Russian subs. There’s almost certainly 1 or more out there, and with this disaster, it gave them the cover they needed to prevent the media from breaking out into a ‘USA looking for Russian subs, this is war” and being the population into more hysteria.
My other thought was that if they showed up alive then it almost definitely was was a cover but I suppose I was on wrong on that front. Still think the story gave them the opportunity to drop a lot more sonar buoys and increase patrols and ‘look’ for something.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…
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Great chance to look for Russian subs.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…
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What's the point in telling the public any of this anyway? Was there any reason for these people's deaths to be in the news? It has no effect on people's lives.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well there goes my evening. thank ya kindly for sharing sir. I hear tell lots of independent people who are doing things anyway, like magnet fishers or sonar people and the like. Lots of times local PD's are very hostile like that story sort of indicated about the local sheriff with sharing information, threatening tresspassing where there ain't no tresspass or laws broken, refusing to share any information, things l…
the same searcher documents the search for Bill at a nearby park, and whom was finally found just recently. There’s some good YouTube on the theory on that one.
Been lookin over that and it's a very interesting one. The man has got to have done the most extensive and exhaustive search for a missing person in goddamn history damn near by himself what with all the criss-crossing lines and different search methods. There's a kind of fascination with that sort of dedication makes one darn near want to jump up and volunteer just from the pull of it.
Though have to edit to say, I can't goddamn believe they didn't save the cell data. Good lord. So many kinds of frustration reading over this stuff while I'm waitin here today.
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#140I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.
The cynical part of me thinks everyone involved knew what had happened on Sunday. There was ample evidence that the submersible imploded (repeated stress on a carbon fiber frame, zero regard for safety, the fact that all communication was lost permanently). Then there was the fact that the logistics involved in a rescue were basically insurmountable. The Navy/Coast Guard saw this as a good live training exercise and…
> the media got a great story.
Don't quite know what was so great about this story. It was a textbook example of the catastrophic consequences of hubris meeting ignorance, and that was about it. The rest was just milking the drama as timed passed by with decreasing theoretical oxygen reserves.