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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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This case looks great. Love that we have replaceable graphics on this one. I’m most excited for the ortholinear keyboard attachment. That makes it a must-buy for me, since after switching to a Kinesis Advantage I just can’t type on a staggered layout anymore.

Is this real? I've gone without a laptop for 6 months now due to RSI. If this is real, I might actually cry.

Yup! Here's an image of it: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/164837189206213017...

A split and thumb clusters would make it perfect, but I'll take what I can get.

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I thought this line was interesting: > with no externally visible fasteners I wonder if it was easier or thinner to do that way, or if it was a deliberate design choice for a more minimal appearance. Personally I don't mind seeing fasteners. After swapping LCDs on my old Thinkpads a couple times, I stopped replacing the screw covers and embraced one fewer step for future maintenance.

Amazingly enough, we didn't go in with this as a design goal from the start. The Framework Laptop 13 has exposed fasteners on the Bottom Cover, and we went in assuming we'd go the same direction. As we designed the Input Module system, it became clear that the best way to design it was installing everything directly down into the Bottom Cover, meaning you don't need to flip the system over to unscrew anything. The re…

Lots of lenovos, MSIs were using the "bathtub" back in late 200X.

But when the trend for ridiculously thin laptops came, they went back to upside down.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)

How many people need a device that's both portable AND needs an external GPU? That's incredibly niche.

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Good detail hear about the process if making the case - really interesting to read. Injection molding semi-liquid magnesium seems…quite difficult to say the least! Tangentially, I wish there was some online resources for learning how best design for manufacture for things like laptops and cases. Contract CNC fabrication is really inexpensive these days until you need 10 iterations to fix your dumb mistakes.

> Tangentially, I wish there was some online resources for learning how best design for manufacture for things like laptops and cases.

You are effectively asking for a disclosure of shop secrets. Even in cases of completely no-name factories, there will be so much of clever things nobody would put on a paper.

One factory owner went nuts when we were going with inspection for a client in 2009, just because we clicked seemingly innocuous looking jig which was putting threaded inserts into mould. It later came out that nobody else anywhere had anything like that, and most factories rely on laborious process of manually putting inserts into the mould.

There is so many unobvious things which 99% of people without actual manufacturing experience routinely overlook in ubiquitous items around us.

I once been openning up dozens of laptop samples, and one in 100, from a noname factory had seemingly no ribs in its bottom cover, and seemingly nothing restraining it flexing, and sliding. Then, after days of hair pulling, the secret cracked.. nuts, and screws inside were not meeting orcompletely, but were suspended with preloaded fasteners, which used those few free millimetres of free travel for it.

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My definition of “high end” in 2023 is a battery that last 14+ hours of general use, doesn’t sound like a 747 when I open two Chrome tabs side by side and won’t fry my nuts when I put it on my lap.

Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

I’m not a fan. Thinkpads have had magnesium enclosures since 2000. I don’t like the framework design or philosophy. You’d have to be insane to buy an Intel laptop for the same money as an ARM Macbook. This reusable thing doesn’t make a bit of sense to me either. Do you really want to be using a 10 year old chassis with new parts? What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care less?

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post #29

I thought this line was interesting: > with no externally visible fasteners I wonder if it was easier or thinner to do that way, or if it was a deliberate design choice for a more minimal appearance. Personally I don't mind seeing fasteners. After swapping LCDs on my old Thinkpads a couple times, I stopped replacing the screw covers and embraced one fewer step for future maintenance.

Visible fasteners are actually a plus for me - they are a signal that the device has a sane, maintainable design!

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Gaming laptops are particularly prone to this because of all the heat they generate. Desktops have much better mechanisms for dealing with heat.

This is where buying "professional grade" does often save you. I have seen tons of Dell Latitudes and Lenovo Thinkpads that look like a black brick but are still going 5+ years later. They actually invested in thermals and it shows. (Written on a 7 year old Thinkpad).

I had to repaste the CPU in my old Thinkpad after a couple of years, but overall I got several years of hard use out of it (including playing games on it in hot apartments) before I destroyed it with an unplanned rapid deceleration.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)

The intel Macbook Airs let you plug in an eGPU.
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