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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by adamrezich »

bloppe wrote: post #116
maerF0x0 wrote: post #53

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Except that in SF you must bring your bicycle inside with you, which basically was only feasible for your office/workplace. Cannot do with a grocery store, theater, gym etc. Edit: An idea that came to mind, someone run with this. Bike lockers would be an amazing feature that likely could curb a lot of the issues. Something with a secure lock built in (like biometric or complex pin), 360degree cameras, and an insuranc…

If only there were a single other way to navigate a modern city without walking, driving, or purchasing a bike...

hopefully you're not sarcastically referring to SF public transit as being anything resembling a desirable means of transportation?

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by maerF0x0 »

bloppe wrote: post #116
maerF0x0 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that in SF you must bring your bicycle inside with you, which basically was only feasible for your office/workplace. Cannot do with a grocery store, theater, gym etc. Edit: An idea that came to mind, someone run with this. Bike lockers would be an amazing feature that likely could curb a lot of the issues. Something with a secure lock built in (like biometric or complex pin), 360degree cameras, and an insuranc…

If only there were a single other way to navigate a modern city without walking, driving, or purchasing a bike...

except that the comment i was responding to was specifically about bicycles?

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by lotsofpulp »

thebooktocome wrote: post #124
orangecat wrote: post #109

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I personally don’t understand why the some exceptionally wealthy billionaire in California doesn’t solve the homelessness problem themselves If you were an exceptionally wealthy billionaire, how would you solve it? Especially considering that the obvious approach of "build housing" is largely illegal.

Billionaires don’t seem to have trouble doing illegal things when it comes to tax evasion, securities fraud, and the like. Some random municipal zoning board would be child’s play with their resources. The proof of this is that the rich regularly manipulate zoning laws. Look at what Google and Apple did to Palo Alto.

Violating a random municipal zoning board’s orders by building something without the necessary permits is a clear cut violation that is easy to spot that you cannot use plausible deniability for.

The US is not that corrupt yet. The billionaire might be able to bribe the zoning board members, but it would be pretty sacrificial of one’s self to risk a felony just to watch the building’s freshly laid foundation get destroyed, because that is only how far one might get without the cops getting involved.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by maerF0x0 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #90
maerF0x0 wrote: post #79

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Super agree that living within a 5 minute walk of 9th and market, Civic Center, Powell, Montgomery, or embarcadero stations is peak public transit experience from a distance perspective. I loved being able to get on the train at SFO and then hop off essentially at my home. But of course those spots also mean avoiding poops, drug deals, a homeless person in the 1% group that assaults people, and other general shadines…

I live in lower haight, less than a two minute walk from the muni and thus less than 15 mons from downtown and I dont really encounter any of these things, except dog poops

Nice! Yeah there are definitely lower poop/riff raff density if you're willing to walk 15 mins each way. In my experience Muni+Bart is required to have good coverage of places I wanted to go (including Oakland and berkeley).

Edit: and I'm a 0 transfer kind of person. Albeit I tolerated switching from Muni to Bart in same station on market street. And because my own personal tolerance for walking was higher than average, I'd often just look for the route that allowed me to ride one ride even if I had to walk 60 minutes across the round trip.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by adamrezich »

celdon25 wrote: post #63
kneebonian wrote: post #21

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The statistics are the result of the DAs refusing to prosecute crime. At the beginning of the BLM era everyone said that what is going to happen is police officers are no longer going to do arrests because they fear becoming the next major incident, at the same time the DAs started refusing to prosecute people, so they'd end up back on the street. The result was no one was investigating or prosecuting crimes anymore.…

The people downvoting you are the ones also likely voting for these politicians. There’s a real problem in this country and the trend needs to be reversed or our problems will grow exponentially.

it's only a national problem insofar as these people are going to leave the charred remains of their city, destroyed by the people they elected, move somewhere else, and continue their exact same election habits there instead, expecting a different result somehow—if you don't live somewhere that's likely to receive an influx of CA expats, then it's not really a concern.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by kneebonian »

throwaway202351 wrote: post #122
jansan wrote: post #88

My personal (European) view of what places are of the USA are considered "cool" has completely changed in the last 10 years or so. Before this year I had only been once to the USA, which was as a teenager in Detroit's suburbs many years ago. This year I decided to travel the USA with my wife and kids, but places like San Francisco and New York, which I would have sacrificed a leg to visit not too many years ago, were…

Oh yes, Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia are great as long as you don't need to get an abortion, aren't religious, gay, or non-white.

I'm curious have you been to many of these areas or are you just repeating the things you've read on reddit?

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by lotsofpulp »

thebooktocome wrote: post #118
lotsofpulp wrote: post #96

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Imprisonment is to keep people moving along, or deter them from coming. Housing is more expensive because of the opposite, it incentives everyone to come get it. On a federal level, housing and healthcare might be cheaper than imprisonment. But what is even cheaper (in the short run) is ignoring it altogether. >I personally don’t understand why the some exceptionally wealthy billionaire in California doesn’t solve th…

Here is SLC’s program, including all the community work they have to do to mollify the NIMBYs: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1134230388/village-salt-lake-... Median rent in SLC: 1.8k/mo, 21.6k/yr Federal prison: ~39k/yr https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/01/2021-18... Median rent in CA: 2.9k/mo, 34.8k/yr (according to Zillow) CA prison: 106k/yr (!) https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost Inc…

I feel like the induced demand portion of my argument is being ignored.

CA prison might be 3x expensive per year, but would CA be looking to house 3x or more people if they offered free housing?

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by bloppe »

jansan wrote: post #88

My personal (European) view of what places are of the USA are considered "cool" has completely changed in the last 10 years or so. Before this year I had only been once to the USA, which was as a teenager in Detroit's suburbs many years ago. This year I decided to travel the USA with my wife and kids, but places like San Francisco and New York, which I would have sacrificed a leg to visit not too many years ago, were…

My personal (American) view is that you made a great decision visiting the South. It's super underrated. I grew up in my little corner of America (New England) and it wasn't until my twenties that I realized just how many amazing places to visit there are in this country with deceivingly friendly people and interesting culture. Americans certainly do not present themselves that way to the rest of the world, but people are usually amazed at how welcoming they can be face-to-face. I think you would have had a good time in NY or SF as well, but it would certainly be different, and probably less memorable, than being pleasantly surprised by "simpler" places in America.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by whimsicalism »

nwienert wrote: post #130
scarmig wrote: post #93

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The Mission District alone is almost 2 square miles. Add in a couple more decent neighborhoods (particularly the Sunset and the Richmond), and you're probably at half of SF's 49 square miles.

Are we claiming the Mission is nice? Because it's really not, even the nicer parts worsened pre, during, post pandemic.

It's much nicer than soma in my opinion and there are basically only two drug dealing/prostitution corridors along shotwell area and capp.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by foogazi »

electroagenda wrote: post #76

From a European perspective (from Spain) it is so weird to read this kind of texts... Quite often here, the US and silicon valley are presented as the paradise for tech people, but now it seems to me that it is a paradise only if you can afford a really wealthy area. Here in Spain salaries can be terrible compared to the US, but even the more "dangerous" cities (like Barcelona or Madrid) are way safer than the SF des…

> the US and silicon valley are presented as the paradise for tech people,

The value comes from colocation - there is a LOT of tech value here - and that makes the location expensive

it’s a bet that doesn’t pay off for everyone

Also, the conflicted areas of SF are not the whole Bay Area by a long shot

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