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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

marklar423 wrote: post #36

iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

I would add on - enshittification driven by money, as coined by Cory Doctorow https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

That's not a new trend, though. It's the bait-and-switch startup ecosystem has been built around for over a decade now.

There may, however, be some underlying trend that's the reason why so many social media companies are pulling the bait-and-switch right now, simultaneously.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by voisin » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

jurassicfoxy wrote: post #69

chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Yes, I just saw the r/StarTrek migration, and visited Lemmy for the 3rd time or so this week, and quite frankly, I could drop reddit entirely now, if I knew how to find communities. I feel some real hacker/dev excitement for the future of Lemmy.

> if I knew how to find communities.

This is the biggest source of friction for Lemmy and the Fediverse. Non-tech savvy folks will not make the shift if it is such a pain to find the communities you want to join.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by PKop » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

sempron64 wrote: post #120

PKop wrote: post #115

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How do these independent servers cover the costs of "success", if more users join it's more cost, more moderation hassle. Who pays for it?

Who pays the moderators of all the major subreddits?

The mod workload on fediverse is in addition to, and magnifies, the operational cost of running the servers. Put aside moderation then, I don't see how decentralized independent servers scale if "free", whereas centralized cos has VC and ad money to achieve this

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by thunderbird120 » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

People are starting to come to terms with the new reality where tech companies actually need to have a viable business model which takes in more money than it expends. The return of nonzero interest rates means that the runway is no longer infinite, you can't just raise more money to cover costs forever, eventually you have to either take off or crash. This is revealing just how much of a nonsensical anomaly most of the 2010s were for many internet companies. COVID provided a brief return to this period but it couldn't last. The idea that large companies can be run at an operating loss indefinitely is going to be dying a slow painful death over the next few years along with any companies which can't make the transition to actually earning money, and that is the way it should be.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by throw16180339 » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

riku_iki wrote: post #112

emptyfile wrote: post #38

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Yeah that's the whole reason why subs are shutting down. Because the mods care, even if their users don't.

but users are main contributors of content. Should they be asked at least?

I'm not sure about other subs, but we asked our users about continuing the blackout.

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Post by 0x_rs » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

Discord also is in the process of asking 200 million users (monthly active as of 2023) to change their username, previous ones they will inevitably lose due to the uniqueness requirement, something nobody seems to have ever asked and might be unheard of on this scale. There's a few other examples of platforms going against their users too. It definitely seems to be an industry-wide movement, perhaps racing to be ahead of the changing economic climate with very poorly though out, short sighted steps, possibly to maximize revenue. (on paper, as advertised by some management before being approved and put into motion, but some corpos might still get away with it)

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by dawnerd » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

blindflip wrote: post #57

idiotsecant wrote: post #12

It seems to me like this is turning into a subreddit migration in slow motion. A lot people still want to post content and a lot of people still want to read content, so what's happening is people are posting it to the less popular 'alternative' versions of the popular subreddits and those posts make the frontpage instead. It seems like there is a noticeable decline in quality but i'm still seeing quite a bit of post…

One of the other places that has strong niche communities is discord. It seems like a good time for discord to release a product that could compete.

Can’t stand discord, it’s too noisy. Joined one server from a subreddit and the mod team @everyones all. The. Time.

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Post by dotnet00 » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

bick_nyers wrote: post #68

dotnet00 wrote: post #45

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To be fair, most of the replies to you would be the same old "have you tried leveling your bed?".

Yeah hair spray/glue stick and bed leveling lol. I bought an auto bed leveler and still can't get anything to stick/not curl up towards the nozzle. There are those hidden gems on Reddit though that aren't the typical response, replies that suggest that your plastic filament has absorbed too much moisture and that you need to dry it in an oven.

Yeah those issues can be really frustrating. I find textured PEI sheets to be the easiest to get working, if adhesion suddenly stops being good, I first try washing with soap and water, then I try adjusting the z-offset, then drying the filament and playing with bed temperatures, curling can happen in both cases of if the temperature is too low and too high. Additionally, with corners lifting on certain prints, you might just need a brim.

I had a BLTouch for a few months, but I found it to be way more trouble than it was worth (probably mostly due to its temperature sensitivity and the heated enclosure). I ended up switching over to a Klackender probe, which has been more reliable to me.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by iaw » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #114

iaw wrote: post #91

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I'll try to be quick and simple: - The US government sets a base interest rate it will pay if you buy bonds from them - Bonds are basically loans - People with money want that money to make money so they buy bonds and invest in stocks/companies - When bonds aren't giving any money rich people put more into companies - When bonds are giving money rich people shift money into bonds, less money for companies This is a g…

Ahh, thank you. That helps a lot. I suppose it's interesting that the return from companies is even remotely comparable to the return from bonds. That's probably a dumb realization but I don't know much about this stuff.

Not dumb, this stuff isn't really taught unless you explicitly pursue it.

One note: the return on some companies may be higher and others lower, the issue is that the risk for money in companies is higher.

Very simplistic example: the US government can offer you a flat 5%, a company investment offers 10% half the time, 0% the other half.

One is a sure thing, one is a gamble. The more the 'gamble' the more risk and that is a driving factor in investments. People are willing to take huge risks if the payoff is very large (Look at Michael Burry and the big short)

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by kart23 » Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

they’re not profitable. twitch probably loses money, reddit definitely loses money.

economy has changed to where money is harder to get, and investors are probably much more skeptical now. and in order to get profitable, they have to start some user-hostile practices.