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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by mark_l_watson »

orbitingpluto wrote: post #95
mark_l_watson wrote: post #78

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After years on HN, I am going to post my first negative response to someone's comment, yours! The Israeli government's actions in this and many other acts are completely immoral. Your 1) point may have some logical validity in general, but for the good of the Israeli and Palestinian people, the whole world needs to get behind slamming down on the actions of the Israeli government, which also I believe also will hurt…

Please re-read what I wrote and clarify that you read what you think you read. The nature of the opinions I voiced here are pretty much Chomskian in nature. If you're picking a fight with that spectrum of opinion with respect to Israel and Palestine as being to pro-Israeli, then I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you actually just misinterpreted what I said. Easy enough to do as it is an e…

I think that I did mis-understand your position, thanks for clarifying it for me. I would bet that a lot of people share our basic wish for the well being of the people on both sides, and criticism for the governments.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by batista »

circlejerkalert wrote: post #65
batista wrote: post #43

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The territories under question are not occupied, but disputed. Really? Have you asked the UN? If I come into your house, after living for 2,000 years away from the area, and claim some rooms mine, would you consider them "disputed"?

My god man. Please just fucking go back to reddit. Stop polluting this place with your intellectual hipsterism bullshit.

Really? Invoking the U.N is "intellectual hipsterism"? So what is considered a valid political argument in your parts of the world? FOX News?

Also, regarding the "go back to reddit" insult. Funny that it comes from an account created just 10 hours ago just to reply to my comment --and that was downvoted to gray-death at that.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by batista »

ugh wrote: post #91
alan_cx wrote: post #76

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Since when do reasonable criticism become hate mongering?

Calling what Israel does “genocide” is not reasonable. The euphemism (“genocide tactics”) doesn’t help.

I think it is.

Israel has a harsh dilemma. They want to keep their state (which is reasonable at this point), but on the other hand they don't want to share the power with Palestinians (which is not). They are also afraid that the Palestinian birth rate would have them outnumbered, and then what?. They use lots of tactics to ensure that the Palestinian population is confined --from import/export restrictions, to destroying their land for cultivation, to steadily expanding into other areas, etc. It's not genocide on the Hitler scale, but it's sure as hell, Ethnocide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide

(That they "invested" into the area is laughable. What they did was they build companies to exploit cheap labour under very strict conditions. It's not like they enpowered any palestinians to become entrepreneurs. So it's investing in the same way Nike invested in building factories in Africa, etc.)

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by berntb »

Andrew_Quentin wrote: post #130
berntb wrote: post #106

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Sigh... I flagged the article. Please keep stories like this off HN, it is bad enough with the language wars people. (I follow the Middle East conflict a bit, because it is informative to compare my Swedish media with BBC/NY Times. News items such as Pallywood or torture between Palestinian groups are literally censored.) The basic reason I started to care a bit is because I find it depressing when people hate and de…

How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world? The article is about Israel and Palestine - nothing to do with the Muslim world.

>>How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world?

I answered what uce0054 wrote about in the comment tree above, mainly demonizing and double standards.

Edit: If you don't really think it is relevant that the main critics of Israel mistreat the Palestinians much more than Israel, it is funny... but not surprising. I've never seen that from an Israel-critic.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ruv »

ucee054 wrote: post #62

This post is no less informative and no more political than, for example, this post on ACTA: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3620579 In my understanding it is in fact both acceptable under the guidelines and especially relevant to hackers and I will explain my reasoning on each point in order. The post is acceptable under the guidelines because it is factual reporting about Palestine and Israel, which is importan…

hijacked by hasbara? please... your entire post is propoganda!

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by batista »

berntb wrote: post #128
ak39 wrote: post #116

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Please explain to me, what makes Israel worse than all the other area changes after the world wars? Worse? Ok, I'll bite: It may not make it "worse" (sic) but it still doesn't make it right. Just because your form of abuse is not worse than others' does not make you right.

First, welcome to HN, since you created your first user account yesterday? >>It may not make it "worse" (sic) but it still doesn't make it right. The point was not right or wrong, I argued that there are totally different standards -- especially if you compare with the neighbouring countries which destroy many Palestinian refugees' lives to keep the question alive. You didn't answer that. See my other comment for mor…

But if you really want to discuss the "worse" part, why should the Israeli question be treated differently than all other land areas?

This is a wrong framing of the question. I don't think anyone wants to treat it differently than all other land areas in similar circumstances. ALL of those are wrong. Now, mention any other specific "land area" similar, and we can talk.

But if you insist, I can think of some reasons this is to be treated differently: because Israel, despite being as abusive as other countries, is a favorite child of the West powers, and receives much more military, diplomatic and media support.

Just an example: we hear for the persecution of gays, or twitter users, or women's right in Arab countries repeteadly. How many times do you hear about things such as this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehadrin_bus_lines http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/...

or this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078771/Israel-brace... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/27/naama-margolese_n_1...

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ruv »

ilja wrote: post #129
coolestuk wrote: post #124

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You are wrong on so many levels (and I'm not a jew). When zionism was created in the late 19th century, most jews in the world had NO interest in moving to Palestine or being zionists. Ask yourself the question: why if they believe that the land that is now Israel was theirs on the basis of religion, why were so many jews uninterested in pursuing this? Zionism was a reaction to the hundreds of years of anti-semitism…

(Being Dutch) I've never heard of Dutch people not wanting to watch Black Book because it depicts the collaboration between Dutch people and the Nazi's. Claims like that don't do much for the credibility of the rest of your comment. For more insight into media reporting about conflicts in the middle east i recommend http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Everybody-Journalists-Search-M...

I cannot verify/ negate the comment about the movie. However neither can the fact that you're unfamiliar with it.

I do however see a problem with your eagerness to find an excuse to discredit the posts contents... If you've never heard of any of it and you consider yourself well educated on the subject, you've been clearly fed some of the abundant propaganda...

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by berntb »

batista wrote: post #137
berntb wrote: post #128

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First, welcome to HN, since you created your first user account yesterday? >>It may not make it "worse" (sic) but it still doesn't make it right. The point was not right or wrong, I argued that there are totally different standards -- especially if you compare with the neighbouring countries which destroy many Palestinian refugees' lives to keep the question alive. You didn't answer that. See my other comment for mor…

But if you really want to discuss the "worse" part, why should the Israeli question be treated differently than all other land areas? This is a wrong framing of the question. I don't think anyone wants to treat it differently than all other land areas in similar circumstances. ALL of those are wrong. Now, mention any other specific "land area" similar, and we can talk. But if you insist, I can think of some reasons t…

>>Now, mention any other specific "land area" similar, and we can talk.

I did. See Karelia above. Or choose a few others of the dozen (more?) of land area changes after the WWs.

So a country should be hated and double standards are ok, if some west countries accept it more than brutal dictatorships!? Sigh...

And sure, the othodox jews have extreme subgroups that are as crazy as e.g. the Saudi government. But what the Hell does that prove? You know full well that you can find similar in any democracy.

You must be trolling.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by coolestuk »

TeeWEE wrote: post #103
rnrlrn wrote: post #102

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it also wouldn't belong on a tech site. what's annoying is that non tech articles get posted just for furthering Israel hatred and only a few call it out. then Israelis feel besieged and everybody wonders why. your reference to ww2 is fitting though not for the reason you think, but because like then, Jews were picked out for special treatment, except today we're called Zionists, so as to be politically correct

Zionists think they are the chosen ones right? Isnt that similar to some other idealogies? Actually I am not pro palestina or anti isreal. I just think that religion in its generality does not promote peac and understanding. A world without religionbwould be a better place.

Zionism was a secular movement. I'm not a jew, and I'm an atheist. I believe in religion being removed from the public sphere. And I'm also a zionist.
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