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My firm supports 100's of PE acquisitions every year and I can tell you that your experience is far more the norm than what the parent comment has suggested.
The idea that PE comes in and sets eight figures of their own money on fire and ruins a business, shooting themselves in the foot makes no sense, yet every other story online is about them doing exactly that. Of course there are LBO scams going on (more historically rather than currently) but these billion dollar firms don't come in and lose a ton of their own money along with money of their outside investors on a re…
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Re: Private equity is buying everything from vet offices to tech conglomerates
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Same thing happened at a company I worked at, they also constantly tell you how they are investing in the future of the company and will not be doing all of the culture destroying things that they are definitely going to do. So if you are in this position and they say it will be different, don't believe them.
It's not always like this. A PE bought a majority stake in the company I work for which for 40 years was a family owned company. They said they were financial partners only, non-operational and they bought because they liked how we were. It's been years since and things have only gotten better as far as I am concerned. I mean they were pretty great originally when the family owned it and I had no complaints, but the…
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So you're saying that technically , it isn't what it looks like it is. That technically , TRU is buying itself. That technically KKR isn't actually the new owner. Technically, it's still predatory.
The business isn’t “buying itself” any more than a house does when you purchase it. The debt is just placed against the assets (real assets and cash flow). The business has owners. It doesn’t “own itself”. I don’t think it is predatory at all. A leveraged buyout is a pretty fundamental and common strategy across all business types and sizes. Don’t hate the strategy of buying a business with debt, hate the players tha…
The purpose of a system is what it does. Players take whatever they can get away with, in this case a good old mafia bust-out, but laundered legal. In the shadowy world of PE, there’s even less transparency and accountability than the usual near-zero amount. I mean, you could just wait for the mob justice of a fully fledged revolution to do its magic but I think most of us would prefer toothful regulation.
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A few years back I had to run door dash orders to pay the bills. I noticed then that distribution of labor removes a lot of the spirit and purpose behind the work. No one at the call center is enjoying the satisfaction of a job well done, it is complete detached. I'm sure the laborers are pushed hard to high quotas and have zero time to follow up with customers. I think we need to back to owning the entire system if…
Easy there comrade, you need to watch that talk about alienation of labor and ownership of the means of production. But it is interesting how a brief trip through the gig economy will start someone talking like Marx even if they (presumably) haven't read him.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
My firm supports 100's of PE acquisitions every year and I can tell you that your experience is far more the norm than what the parent comment has suggested.
The idea that PE comes in and sets eight figures of their own money on fire and ruins a business, shooting themselves in the foot makes no sense, yet every other story online is about them doing exactly that. Of course there are LBO scams going on (more historically rather than currently) but these billion dollar firms don't come in and lose a ton of their own money along with money of their outside investors on a re…
Re: Private equity is buying everything from vet offices to tech conglomerates
#136Banking was great. Everyone–from liberal arts to engineering majors–could putz around for years in a pre-defined and prestigious path with moderately above-market pay and the potential to become rich. (Most don't.) It was also a field that could absorb a lot of grunt work, because most of what these folks did was format PowerPoints and populate Excel templates.
After the GFC, bulge-bracket finance became less prestigious right when technology lowered the industry's hunger for grunts. Silicon Valley took up some slack, but at least until the pandemic hiring boom, there was a modicum of technical gating factors.
The entire time, corporate and industrial America needed administration. But working at a chemical plant in Baton Rouge isn't sexy. You know what is sexy? Working for KKR.
So KKR's partners buy the plant, hire the college grad, give them a few weeks' training and "deploy" them to Baton Rouge. That will be their "project" for years. There are perks: they get to fly in from a city, for instance. But overall, the partners can acquire this labor cheaper than their portolio companies. (Ask anyone who isn't a partner at a private equity firm what they do, and it's on a spectrum between administrative assistance and middle management in a random business.) It's what consulting did in another era, re-branded for what young people willing to take less pay and power predict their peers and parents find prestigious (and what they consider safe).
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#137> That’s a great point, and I’m always adamant about pushing back slightly on the story of Toys“R”Us. Toys“R”Us was profitable the last year before it declared bankruptcy. The challenge was that it had so much debt that it was servicing that rather than being able to expand its operations, and it had advantages that Amazon didn’t have in terms of physical stores. Push back more strongly. My partner at the time had be…
To be fair, that doesn't mean thriving at all. It's easy to have tons of customers but be making zero profit because all your revenue is eaten up by costs. It's common for stores to be busy up to the moment they go bankrupt -- because the problem is they're stuck where they can't raise prices (shoppers will evaporate) and they can't lower costs.
> contrary to what the article says about not figuring out online shopping and logistics, she said associates spent a majority of their time pulling online orders for same-day in-store pickup
That sounds like not figuring it out to me. Store employees pulling orders for in-store pickup is generally a losing proposition and has never been sustainable. Big warehouses handle online orders efficiently. Retail stores don't at all, generally speaking.
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My firm supports 100's of PE acquisitions every year and I can tell you that your experience is far more the norm than what the parent comment has suggested.
The idea that PE comes in and sets eight figures of their own money on fire and ruins a business, shooting themselves in the foot makes no sense, yet every other story online is about them doing exactly that. Of course there are LBO scams going on (more historically rather than currently) but these billion dollar firms don't come in and lose a ton of their own money along with money of their outside investors on a re…
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Sure! But that cuts into the "keeping retiring doctors happy" piece. If your practice is worth $15 million but you only get 50c on the dollar because there is no buyer pool, you might be pretty grumpy. To the broader picture though, this is a double edged sword if you want more private family practices. Less doctors are going to go through the work and cost of starting their own business if they have to take a haircu…
Then your practice isn’t worth $15-million. I’m married to a physician in private practice, who owns their practice. From the beginning, we’ve always been aware that when she retires in 15-25 years, we have literally no idea what if anything the sale of her practice might bring. It could be essentially nothing (aka, the used value of the equipment, and it’s shocking how quickly even very expensive medical equipment d…
Not saying you are wrong, but this makes private practice different than any other small business. Pretty universally most businesses are evaluated by their capex. (If the medical industry is unique it's because there is no business to evaluate without a practitioner)
But 100% to everything else you said. Private practices are clearly superior in every regard except rent-seeking.
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It’s basically the acquisition (buying out) a company using debt-financing (leverage). The typical plan is usually to use business revenue to finance the interest payments, optimize the business via cost-cuts or roll-ups, and flip it for a profit in 5-7 years. Like most things, PE can be helpful or destructive depending on the execution and the exact strategy for flipping. At its best, it’s bringing in experienced op…
Thank you, this is a balanced and detailed response. I don’t personally “buy” the narrative that all LBOs are destructive. After all there are entire funds devoted to LBOs and how would these PE outfits carry on getting loans if their companies constantly defaulted?
1. PE investors tend to be VERY financially savvy, but sell to less skilled investors. If they see that they have the chance to sell one of their assets at a great price, they don't have any issue with anyone holding the bag. There were at least a few IPOs/SPACs that left the (relatively less-savvy) public holding the bag.
2. PE investors tend to be be finance-minded, not operations-focused. That means that their planned optimizations think about the financial health of a company, not the "real" health. Culture can suffer because of this, for example.
3. PE is very interest rate dependent, and low interest rates / bad investors can (and probably did) make the tech bubble worse.