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Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by forty »

denysonique wrote: post #115

I see this old-package argument over and over again and I think it is inaccurate, considering that an estimated 95% of Ubuntu users use the LTS version, the below table demonstrates that Debian 12 (stable) packages are newer than those of of Ubuntu 22.04. Both Debian 12 and Ubuntu 22.04 are LTS versions with 5 years of support. Ubuntu 22.04 Kernel 5.19 (new installs only, existing installs 5.15) systemd 249 KDE Plasm…

I have always used stable on my servers and testing on my laptop but I recently switched to stable on the laptop with kernel from backports (I have fairly recent hardware). I have never been happier :) (to be fair, staging was fairly stable too, but still broke small stuff occasionally, and I feel I'm too old to deal with this ^^)

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by pja »

sillystuff wrote: post #108
pja wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d suggest testing over unstable as very occasionally broken packages get pushed to unstable. Testing has a week or two delay, which usually catches such problems.

If you decide to run testing, be aware that while testing does get updates that address security issues after those updates work their way into testing from unstable, it does not explicitly get security updates. Pinning some security sensitive packages to stable or unstable might be worth considering. E.g., if running testing on a client, pin firefox and extensions to stable + stable-security (note, globbing works to…

Personally I use the official Mozilla releases of firefox & thunderbird & drop them in /opt so that they get updated as soon as an update is released.

Otherwise this is good advice.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by blihp »

troad wrote: post #29
fb03 wrote: post #18

Testing this out in a VM. I want to move away from Ubuntu (honestly, from SNAPs)

I'm also considering this, but I'm a little afraid of being stuck in the slow lane when it comes to software updates. I'm aware of Backports, but I'm led to believe it has a somewhat limited selection. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try a combination of Debian, for general system stability, and Nix, for specific tools where I need newer releases? Has anyone tried this combination before? If so, how did you fin…

You can run a reasonably current Debian install by just switching to the testing repos after you install a stable release. This mostly works pretty well but occasionally[1] you'll have an issue. While you could get absolutely up to the minute software (from a Debian standpoint) using the sid (i.e. unstable) repos, I wouldn't recommend it as breakage is quite common there as they are working through various packing issues and that repo lives up to its name.

[1] every couple of years in my experience... typically as they're getting closer to a new release and package breaking changes are needed/slip through.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by shawnz »

cf100clunk wrote: post #126
shawnz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have it backwards: Devuan shoves sysvinit down your throat, whereas Debian is the one that supports alternatives

Devuan does exactly what it says on the tin. If that suits you, use it, otherwise you are free to not use it. It follows that since nobody forces anyone to use Devuan, nothing is being shoved down throats.

Yes, I was only copying the hyperbolic language of the parent commenter.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by guerrilla »

tuukkah wrote: post #123
mongol wrote: post #83

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Do I get it right that you mean > 90 percent of distro use is Debian-based? Because that can hardly be the case

Ubuntu and its derivatives are included.

Is Ubuntu still Debian based? What's the criterion for that anyway? Just using debs?

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by gwhl »

still_grokking wrote: post #60
whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #38

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All kinds of things wrong? It’s the base for half the Linux distros. What could you possibly mean?

Half the Linux distris? I've once counted on Distrowatch. When you go by number of distris there it's more like 80% are Debian based. If you go also by how much those distris are used it's even like 9x% of the stuff running out there is Debian based. There are almost no independent distris. You have Arch, you have SUSE, you have RedHat and a few clones, you have Gentoo. But more or less everything else is Debian base…

And Slackware!

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by Arnavion »

Kwpolska wrote: post #96
yrro wrote: post #32

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Debian was never a purist distribution. If it was then there wouldn't have been a non-free section in the archive in the first place. The sad truth is that the Linux distributions recommended by the FSF have approximately zero users.

Is it sad? Actually working Linux on real hardware is far more important than purity IMO.

It's sad for the people who don't share YO.

Eg I intentionally got an old ath9k PCI-E wifi card for my Debian 11 router because it works without proprietary firmware, unlike newer ath10k etc cards.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by sylware »

gsich wrote: post #47
sylware wrote: post #33

Finally with init system alternatives or do they still shove systemd down our throat (if so I'll stick to devuan gnu/linux instead)?

systemd is the superior init system.

Its superiority in kludge and bloat is not a matter of discussion, we all know that.
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