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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by auggierose »

machdiamonds wrote: post #128

I'm curious if anyone's tried using the Varjo VR-3 as a monitor replacement? The Vision Pro seems like it might be in the same league. It's got this unique setup where the central focus area (27° x 27°) is a uOLED display with 70ppd and 1920 x 1920 px per eye, while the rest of the view is over 30ppd on an LCD display with 2880 x 2720 px per eye. While they're not directly competing (given that the Varjo is entirely…

Apple says they have 23 millions pixels, the Varjo seems to have only about 7 million pixels? That's quite a difference just in terms of resolution.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by slaterbug »

andrewstuart wrote: post #68
inconceivable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

>>. am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills? What you are, is snarky. The only times Apple ever did this in the past, the product flopped because it was too expensive. Maybe other companies have been leading with expensive tech waiting for the market to catch up, but Apple hasn't - not since the Lisa anyway. And yes I am on old fogey - ol enough to remember that the industry has been waiting for consumers to "c…

> Ordinary people don't want to put a VR headset on - they just don't

They will when it's got an Apple logo on it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by theodric »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #9
orbital-decay wrote: post #4

I'm sure it's good enough with that resolution and other high tech stuff. But can you work in it for extended periods of time? I never wear wristwatches or smart watches unless I have to (hiking, running etc) because I dislike any trinkets that touch the skin 24/7, regardless of the material. This thing is almost like a diving mask, just not airtight. How about wearing it several hours straight?

I regularly wear my Quest for 9-10 hours a day. It's plenty comfortable with the right equipment. I forget I'm wearing it after a while.

I managed maybe 45 minutes at a go before face sweat/itch, eye strain, muscle ache, and nausea set in. The novelty wore off rapidly, it sat around for a year, and I sold it off. I wanted to believe.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by thinkingemote »

andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

there is a huge amount of comfortable people who are bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. Everything they use is Apple, it all looks, is built and works together very well and they have spent multiple amounts over the years than what this costs on its own. Cost is not important for them. Even monitor stands can never be classed as expensive.

Brand loyalty, consumerism, platform lock in. It's the reason why Apple is so wealthy.

People will defend the investment of their time and money by investing more.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by kwanbix »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

I don't see myself wearing that huge thing on your face if not for a brief moment and a killer app. Much less for 3500 (+ TAX!!!!) dollars.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by charcircuit »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

>This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one

Which is what traditional VR and AR devices offer. Being able to use apps in VR or AR isn't new.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by makeitdouble »

auggierose wrote: post #131
machdiamonds wrote: post #128

I'm curious if anyone's tried using the Varjo VR-3 as a monitor replacement? The Vision Pro seems like it might be in the same league. It's got this unique setup where the central focus area (27° x 27°) is a uOLED display with 70ppd and 1920 x 1920 px per eye, while the rest of the view is over 30ppd on an LCD display with 2880 x 2720 px per eye. While they're not directly competing (given that the Varjo is entirely…

Apple says they have 23 millions pixels, the Varjo seems to have only about 7 million pixels? That's quite a difference just in terms of resolution.

The Varjo would be more around 12 million per eye, but I think the actual feeling could be affect by the optics and how the central focus area is handled.

The central 70ppd feels like a pretty solid number. Funnily enough it's price not that far from Apple's headset.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Etheryte »

sazz wrote: post #129

Is anything known about health risks? I could imagine that if the eye no longer has to focus on distance, that this could lead to refractive errors more quickly with excessive use. Or did I miss here something?

As covered in the original announcement discussion, it has lens inserts that increase the focal distance.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by kaba0 »

elorant wrote: post #117
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Because it requires greater integration. For VR the whole environment has to participate. At least if we’re talking about VR glasses that you can wear outside, every store, road, building block and what not should provide information. Who would create all that info, and for what purpose. Adoption is non-existent. There is no platform to submit your data. All we have is the interface. If you’re to wear them only insid…

I am also not too optimistic about vision pro’s success, but regarding your glasses question: you would order specific lenses for it. They may even do that inside app stores from what I’ve seen in the video? Hopefully it won’t add an extra charge as lenses are expensive.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by magnusmundus »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

That comparison comes with the form factor though -- it's a headset. It's not something you can wear and mostly forget about. It needs a purpose to make me want to wear it, otherwise it's just an iPad without the nice tactile association.
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