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Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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post #117

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There is very relevant post on a webcomic for people who things that privacy is only for people who have something to hide: http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/missing_the_point.png and sometims images is worh thousand words, right?

I think that is alarmist in the context of this conversation. Google is not 2 people watching me sleep, shower, drive, date, make love, etc. It is software that stores and analyzes data that I choose to send to it. I choose to send my search terms to Google because I value the responses I get from Google; this strikes me as a voluntary exchange of value between two parties, not Big Brother from 1984. The Abstruse Goo…

I will try to take on this one.

> Google is not 2 people watching me sleep, shower, drive, date, make love, etc.

its irrelevant how many people is watching you, but Google will watch you as much as technology and law (sometimes bent to maximum) lets them. Like you stated you value responses, but it doesnt get the rocket science to know humans are unique enough that one search to one person is irrelevant to another. Hence, search needs to be customized. If they could turn your security camera on, they would watch you sleeping. You can learn plenty from the act alone: having problems sleeping, snoring, moving your legs (whatever the symptom is called), waking up too early/too late -- al this information is gold to Google. Your driving behavior is important to insurance companies. Your dating life is important to dating websites - if you are single you are worth money to them. Otherwise they dont care. Making love is important too -- can you handle the ride, are you an impotent, do you like wearing kinky clothes, etc etc. This is all GOLD to google. Now, they may not throw at you Viagra pills when you search for steakhouse in New York but if they AdNetwork goes to other website they may, in their discretionary, use information gathered about you to serve better ads and get better click-through.

> It is software that stores and analyzes data that I choose to send to it. but you not always aware you sending, sometimes knowing what you "sending", you wouldnt!

> The Abstruse Goose comic is much more applicable to pervasive government surveillance. whats the difference if Google has to abide by the laws of the country they do business? They can sometime deny response to govnt subpoena your searches, but I say more and more they just comply. I dont think number of gov inquiries will go down. I dont think % of denials by Google will go up.

> I think if people spent as much time focusing their attention elected officials as they spend on hand-wringing about Google, we'd probably have better laws. how is this relevant to the subject or your comment at all?

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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post #67

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It gives you plausible deniability, which is the point. Nobody can prove you really did those searches (though you can't prove the converse either).

Plausible deniability is needed when you want to hide your role in something. Since I'm not sharing kiddie porn, I have actual deniability. No TOR traffic needed.

Real does not imply convincing, sadly.

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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I'm pretty sure EFF is wrong here. Google's Web History is basically a public version of your search history. You can turn on or off whether you want Google to rub your face in its knowledge about you. But it retains that knowledge even if you turn off the rub-in-your-face personalization part. Google retains a complete history of your interactions with them, which is not subject to this Web History setting, not dele…

Interesting. Can you prove that? If so, this could be a very hot potato. If google states "Your web history is currently empty" and "web history is paused" but they continue to track your searches in a way that is tied to your identity then I think they're in breach of several laws. They could chose to withold the ability to disable tracking. But by giving you the impression that they're not tracking you I think they…

Uh, this is not a secret. Google says specifically that web history is a way to personalize your search results, nothing more. Web history is an add-on to Google's normal tracking.

"You can delete information from Web History using the remove feature, and it will be removed from the service. However, as is common practice in the industry, and as outlined in the Google Privacy Policy, Google maintains a separate logs system for auditing purposes and to help us improve the quality of our services for users."

This refers you to the main privacy policy, which says very clearly that Google stores every request you make along with cookies that uniquely identify your account.

http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

Web History is an add-on tracking system. Google does not permit opting-out of Google's regular tracking system, which at one point stored every request you had ever made to any Google server, but which I think now may be semi-anonymized after a couple of years, if I remember their changing policies correctly. Although, the Privacy Policy makes no such promise, so perhaps they do still keep every request ever made in Google's existence. Google absolutely has a perfect record of every interaction you've had with them for the past year or two. Even if Web History is "off".

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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Interesting. Can you prove that? If so, this could be a very hot potato. If google states "Your web history is currently empty" and "web history is paused" but they continue to track your searches in a way that is tied to your identity then I think they're in breach of several laws. They could chose to withold the ability to disable tracking. But by giving you the impression that they're not tracking you I think they…

Uh, this is not a secret. Google says specifically that web history is a way to personalize your search results, nothing more. Web history is an add-on to Google's normal tracking. "You can delete information from Web History using the remove feature, and it will be removed from the service. However, as is common practice in the industry, and as outlined in the Google Privacy Policy, Google maintains a separate logs…

I'm sorry but I distinctly got the impression that 'opting out' of the search history feature meant that google would not be saving my search history and I'm quite surprised that this is not the case.

It is of course possible that I'm alone in this but somehow I doubt that.

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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post #123

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I agree that it could get tedious, but I'm compartmentalized (not OCD ;-) enough in how I do things, that it has worked well for me so far. Your XUL apps approach sounds interesting. Can you offer any pointers on what you do and how others could do it too?

It's pretty simple right now. I only spent an hour or so on it and will post it to GitHub when I get some more time to iron out a few kinks. Basically you open the XUL app for the service you want to access. It acts as a chromeless firefox browser and intercepts any links you click. If it's an external link it opens it in your default browser where you wouldn't be logged into google preserving a bit of anonymity.

Thanks.

I also found this link http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/tutorials/x-xulintro/ after a little searching. I'll try it out.

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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post #123

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I agree that it could get tedious, but I'm compartmentalized (not OCD ;-) enough in how I do things, that it has worked well for me so far. Your XUL apps approach sounds interesting. Can you offer any pointers on what you do and how others could do it too?

It's pretty simple right now. I only spent an hour or so on it and will post it to GitHub when I get some more time to iron out a few kinks. Basically you open the XUL app for the service you want to access. It acts as a chromeless firefox browser and intercepts any links you click. If it's an external link it opens it in your default browser where you wouldn't be logged into google preserving a bit of anonymity.

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Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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post #4

The official title of the article is "How to Remove Your Google Search History Before Google's New Privacy Policy Takes Effect", and the writing itself is much more neutral than this submission title. I'm still not sure why people are afraid of Google's new privacy policy. I understand that there are people who have specific privacy needs, but outside that scope I doubt you have anything to worry about. It's doubtful…

My concern is that someone out there is accumulating a huge amount of very personal information about me. It happens to be a corporation that has a legal obligation not to me but to its shareholders and that obligation is to maximise profit. It also has a legal obligation to the US government and the US courts, a government I have no right to elect and a legal system I cannot afford. And here's my point: I simply can…

It also has a legal obligation to the US government and the US courts, a government I have no right to elect and a legal system I cannot afford.

Generally, if you're not in the US (and I'm assuming that's what you mean, not that you're disenfranchised but live in the US), then Google and other US companies have an obligation to comply with the laws of your country, assuming their terms of service allow use in your nation.

Ultimately, you have a choice to use or not use a service. The Company offering it has an obligation to disclose what information is collected and how it's used, and you also have to make an assessment of their ability to protect that data from misuse either internally or by external parties. We make these decisions all the time both online and offline.

I think it's fine for folks to opt out of using a service like Google if they no longer agree with the privacy policy. I don't think it's appropriate to villanize any company for good-faith efforts to update their privacy disclosure over time as long as you can opt out of those changes and erase your data. And I think we have to be realistic and expect that for 95% of users, they're not going to opt out.

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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My concern is that someone out there is accumulating a huge amount of very personal information about me. It happens to be a corporation that has a legal obligation not to me but to its shareholders and that obligation is to maximise profit. It also has a legal obligation to the US government and the US courts, a government I have no right to elect and a legal system I cannot afford. And here's my point: I simply can…

It also has a legal obligation to the US government and the US courts, a government I have no right to elect and a legal system I cannot afford. Generally, if you're not in the US (and I'm assuming that's what you mean, not that you're disenfranchised but live in the US), then Google and other US companies have an obligation to comply with the laws of your country, assuming their terms of service allow use in your na…

I simply explained what my concerns are and why I'm opting out. I think that is a perfectly appropriate thing to do and has nothing to do with villainizing anyone.

I also think that it would be appropriate for you to disclose that you work for Google if you contribute to a discussion like this one taking the side of your employer.

Re: Remove Google Search History Before New Privacy Policy Takes Effect

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Uh, this is not a secret. Google says specifically that web history is a way to personalize your search results, nothing more. Web history is an add-on to Google's normal tracking. "You can delete information from Web History using the remove feature, and it will be removed from the service. However, as is common practice in the industry, and as outlined in the Google Privacy Policy, Google maintains a separate logs…

I'm sorry but I distinctly got the impression that 'opting out' of the search history feature meant that google would not be saving my search history and I'm quite surprised that this is not the case. It is of course possible that I'm alone in this but somehow I doubt that.

I'm surprised that you would come to that conclusion. I would think that most "mega power-users" (as I'm now labeling you :) would simply assume that they were turning off some kind of public-facing display of their search history, and that you were not opting out of their ability to target ads at you with greater precision.

I would not be surprised if many people got the same impression.

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