Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

climatereanalyzer.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–137 of 137 posts

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#131

Post by mikrotikker »

koheripbal wrote: post #31
hutzlibu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children." But wasn't that always the case? War was always around the corner and nuclear missile threat amplified it. Btw. it seems the war made russia change its stance and some official "scientific" commitee has decided, that climate warming comes simply from radiation inside earth that follows a natural pattern. So no need to not burn coal then.…

We were lucky nuclear war didn't happen, and it still might. I think the risk of nuclear war is higher now, with more nations having more weapons, fewer treaties preventing profession, and an increasingly multipolar power dynamic in international affairs.

Yea there currently exists a plausible risk of the Taliban taking control of an ailing Pakistan and its 11 nukes.

Thank you Mr Kissenger

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#132

Post by skrebbel »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #114
skrebbel wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but we went from “oh no we’re all going to die and we have to prepare our kids for that eventuality” to “oh no Vanuatu is sinking” in just a few HN comments. In that light I’d like to underline that in the “this is fine” meme, things are actually on fire. It’s an apt comparison.

> Vanuatu is sinking This implies that Vanuatu's absolute elevation is decreasing. I can find no reference for this. If this decrease is true, please supply your sources.

Pfff come on, it’s a figure of speech.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#133

Post by QuantumGood »

chatgpt_491 wrote: post #118
submeta wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your thoughts and it's clear that you're engaged in this critical issue. Let me take a moment to address your objections and share a different perspective on some of the points you've raised. 1. *Impact of Human Activities:* A preponderance of scientific evidence supports the conclusion that human activities are causing climate change. A meta-study by Cook et al. in 2013 revealed a 97% consensus among pu…

Can you ask it to provide references as well

It's a bit amazing to me how quickly we have all become experts on what is generated text and what is not. Part of it seems to be that the (extreme?) politeness of much generated text seems inhuman. Do humans have an edginess that LLMs cannot impersonate well?

I know that HN has a policy against generated text, and I learned about the policy by violating it unknowingly. A comment of mine voted to about 80 was then rapidly downvoted after @dang explained the policy to me.

On the one hand, I often prefer a good summary by an LLM to reading a lot of comments, and I like to share what I learn. On the other hand, banning generated text helps prevent a takeover by bots, and keeps the mission of HN focused on humans. After reflection, I found myself in favor of the policy. I can take what I learn from an LLM and write what I've learned in my own voice.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#134

Post by oneTbrain23 »

Do take note, Siberia will thaw and this will give great opportunity to Russians to farm and dominate in future. So at least from their perspective this is good for them. Of course the rest of the world will suffer with USA destine to be dustbowl as foretold in Interstellar.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#135

Post by redprince »

mikrotikker wrote: post #130
redprince wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. In Germany they didn't. The plan to exit from nuclear power was enacted by a conservative coalition of CDU/FDP in 2011. Funnily enough the year before they had dismantled the original exit plan from the year 2000 that was enacted by a coalition of SPD and the Green Party. But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" s…

> But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" suddenly became very, very unpopular in Germany. Yea I don't get this, what are chances of a tsunami hitting the German nuclear power plants? Put them higher or build a sea wall around them if they are so worried. Today they restarted coal power plants! Moronic!

> Yea I don't get this, what are chances of a tsunami hitting the German nuclear power plants?

- Funny. Quite obviously the issue was not the possibilities of tsunamis in Germany. It was the fact, that this particular power plant was not constructed in an area prone to massive tsunamis without sufficient tsunami protection. In Germany you would replace tsunami with different natural disasters. For example earth quakes. Yes, parts of Germany experience earth quakes. Usually they are very light, but every few centuries there's one able to level cities. The same style of organizational failure which left Fukushima unprotected against major tsunamis could have left German nuclear power plants without insufficient earth quake protection.

- The public witnessed that a nuclear power plant cut off from external power supply and without emergency power generation can run out of control just from the decay heat. Very few people knew before that incident that nuclear power plants don't have an off-switch and don't necessarily fail safely in exceptional situations.

- Also everybody got to see (once more) what failure of containment meant and that Japan got a big break because much of the radioactive plume was blown out to sea. Something like that happening in the middle of densely populated Europe would be very ugly and very expensive.

- Nuclear was already quite unpopular in Germany since Chernobyl and its nuclear fallout over Germany and Fukushima was just another big nail in its coffin.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#136

Post by WarOnPrivacy »

skrebbel wrote: post #132
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vanuatu is sinking This implies that Vanuatu's absolute elevation is decreasing. I can find no reference for this. If this decrease is true, please supply your sources.

Pfff come on, it’s a figure of speech.

Upvoted. You're right. It was clearly written but I misread the tone+content anyway.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

#137

Post by mikrotikker »

redprince wrote: post #135
mikrotikker wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" suddenly became very, very unpopular in Germany. Yea I don't get this, what are chances of a tsunami hitting the German nuclear power plants? Put them higher or build a sea wall around them if they are so worried. Today they restarted coal power plants! Moronic!

> Yea I don't get this, what are chances of a tsunami hitting the German nuclear power plants? - Funny. Quite obviously the issue was not the possibilities of tsunamis in Germany. It was the fact, that this particular power plant was not constructed in an area prone to massive tsunamis without sufficient tsunami protection. In Germany you would replace tsunami with different natural disasters. For example earth quake…

Interesting, thank you.
Post reply on HN