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I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social me…

Instagram isn't used by most people to 'drive insane engagement'. It's a relaxing place to share pictures and memes - and one that fortunately avoids most of the political insanity which makes other social networks exhausting and polarising. I don't want less 'limited' conversations on instagram. Its a place I look at and post pictures from my life, memories, moments with friends. Fuck engagement. Fuck the competitiv…

I have often found that participating on Instagram quickly turns into a comparison game with unhealthy results. But the view you expressed feels so healthy and in the right spirit of social media - to share special moments with your friends and family without all the fuss of engagement, likes etc.

The ill-effects of social media were almost depressing and I stopped using them altogether. But this also meant I had almost no one initiate a conversation with me. If you have anything to say about how to best use social media healthily, I'm all ears.

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one twitter is already bad enough for my mental health

I have tried a few times but I can't last more than 2 weeks on twitter without deleting it.

Even people I have enormous respect for intellectually end up coming off as unfunny comedians, obnoxious and vapid performance artists or political hacks.

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> I'm personally developing more and more conviction around the idea of doing something that first tries to tackle this on a personal level before doing it for others e.g How do I get my family off WhatsApp. You are on the right track, but I would say we don't need even need to get them "off" WhatsApp, we just need to get an intolerant minority [0] who refuses to compromise. I deleted WhatsApp from my phone and told…

My girlfriend is Brazilian and she uses WhatsApp a...lot... I would say the problem with this idea is that your family is often just one group chat. She has maybe 50 threads of different groups in WA, for her moving off WA would be near impossible not because all the groups she communicates with are on there. The other thing to keep in mind is, the "HN Crowd" knows the full implications of having conversations on WA,…

This is the thing. WhatsApp works really well. And so did Facebook groups. I think once communities are established they stay where they are. So anything new is for new usecases. Trying to get people to migrate isn't the answer. It's about new solutions or habits solving specific purposes. For me it's a lot to do with the fact that each chat itself in whatsapp isn't threaded. You can create communities but that's not right for informal stuff and then I can create separate groups but then it gets confusing. So actually you need topic based chat. Ability to create new topics in the same groups. Basically slack or discord for family and friends.

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No, there are no features on HN that help us network, and I rarely, if ever, even look at what user posted a story or comment, so at least for me it is not social. Just because it is user-generated content does not make it a "social network"

That’s exactly what it means. You can favorite posts, comments, upvote and downvote. It’s not algorithmic but it’s still a social network.

What is your definition of a social network? In my view a social network requires that you actually represent social connections on the platform. Afaik there is no way for me to establish such a social connection with you on HN.

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Telegram seems like the logical choice. It has everything WhatsApp does and more.

Why is this downvoted? Telegram is IMO the best alternative to WhatsApp. It has a much better UX than Signal, more desirable features, not to mention more users and channels. There is an on-demand E2E encryption for those who want it. Pavel Durov is not on a friendly terms with Russian govt now for those who care about it. You can pay for the service to support the company, get rid of ads and gain some meaningless fe…

It's still centralized. The server is not open source. The "on-demand E2E encryption" has never been properly audited by independent parties. We shouldn't need to worry or care about the political affiliations of the company offering a product to be able to use it.

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Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Public networks have value for entertainment, movies, TV, and music all should be sponsored by social media apps, especially independent music. These social apps also need to abandon the predatory and destructive (ad boosting) schemes they've created and instead tax big (and very profitable) media companies alone.

Undercover the truth has been that social media has always been simply a channel for commercials, and they should embrace that truth and make it les sof a ponzi scheme, and more of an easy way to scroll through specific areas of interest for individual people. If social media was honest and fair, the metrics on consumer sentiment would be game-changingly valuable to everyone in business, but as of right now, pure corruption, deceptive marketing, and endless new schemes are being invented by people trying to leverage social media against the unaware masses on it.

Closed networks can be just as easily corrupted, and they can be weaponized against users with no way of anyone knowing what occurred. Closed systems can hide valuable knowledge and truth from the public, they create a nightmare for law enforcement as well in solving crimes perpetrated on groups or individuals, they also encourage maintaining multiple individual accounts and paywalls around data that does not need to be private... Neither solution is perfect. Many of the massive public social media services have been operating as if they are closed networks lately as they try to squeeze money and data out of users over time (e.g. Twitter not allowing posts to be accessed without having an account).

I am really tired myself of all the tricks, gimmics, and schemes that social media creates jus tin order to operate successfully on it, and new tools are often the same old schemes, but in reality, there is now barely any other cost-effective way to promote yourself to the world... Google search can also be kind of considered the same as social media in a way because many have to pay for prominent placing and manipulate keywords, and even do things like registering an SSL cert and pay hosting to be ranked higher on results... TikTok has basically become a massive video search engine on the flip side of that.

The problem is these networks thrive on free and coerced labor form content creators and businesses, they offer little reward for hard work, and they facilitate wide-scale fraud, info theft, ID impersonation, and disinformation. Those things need to be addressed thoroughly moving forward, or it will all turn into a desolate strip mall with little value to anyone but the land owners.

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Twitter is "a raging dumpster fire" only for Space Man Bad people motivated by politics. For the rest of us, it's actually better than it's ever been, especially if you're like me and living outside of North America. It's snappier and more open than Twitter 1.0, and it's not banning people at the behest of the FBI.

Space Man: good Car Man: so-so Twitter Man: bad But Twitter was already a pit before he bought it. He fired all the people who held the line on its ongoing degradation, so it's getting worse.

>He fired all the people who held the line on its ongoing degradation, so it's getting worse.

What's actually different about it other than it loads faster and the For You feed is good now?

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That’s exactly what it means. You can favorite posts, comments, upvote and downvote. It’s not algorithmic but it’s still a social network.

What is your definition of a social network? In my view a social network requires that you actually represent social connections on the platform. Afaik there is no way for me to establish such a social connection with you on HN.

Explicit social connections are dying trend on social network, as weird as it sounds.

TikTok, Twitter's "For you", Reels - all of them are considered to be social networks, and they depend on algorithmic feeds recommending content to you.

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Space Man: good Car Man: so-so Twitter Man: bad But Twitter was already a pit before he bought it. He fired all the people who held the line on its ongoing degradation, so it's getting worse.

>He fired all the people who held the line on its ongoing degradation, so it's getting worse. What's actually different about it other than it loads faster and the For You feed is good now?

It loads no faster for me. The For You feed is worse for me. Top replies to posts I do want to see are consistently more hostile. These used to fall to the bottom or behind a filter click like they should.

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It seems like the biggest asset that creators are creating are the communities that form around them and their niche. The people who consume content within a niche tend to be very likeminded and often times quite willing to rally behind and support the bastions propelling the niches that they identify with. Even for smaller creators, I've seen time and time again that all you need is one or two highly dedicated and e…

I am a content creator (newsletter) where I interview music producers. The main goal behind it is to create a community where we have a place online, and multiple places offline to chill, chat and do our thing. I am on the lookout to find how the online thing looks like, and honestly, it always comes back to a facebook group. I hate facebook. But it is the option with the least friction, for now. Every other option,…

Appreciate the reply. Did you have a chance to check out the platform? We are always looking for ways we can better tailor the platform to serve the needs of people like you.

Cheers

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