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Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by mtkhaos »

TekMol wrote: post #15

I have switched one of my sites to cookieless analytics and it is bad for everybody. I can't even say how many users this site has now. It could be the same user coming back over and over. Or many users. How would I know. Yes, I could track a ton of stats about every pageview like user agent, screen resolution etc and then try to stitch it back together. Trying to figure out how many different users there are. But th…

Local Storage?

Cookies are just a Dumb Implementation and only persist due to advertising.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by Filligree »

arendtio wrote: post #51
davedx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the most popular browser is made by an AdTech company

To be fair, I think it was Microsoft who killed the DNT header by enabling it by default.

Given a boolean flag, if 94% of users would select state X, then selecting X by default doesn't seem problematic at all.

Microsoft (for once) did nothing wrong. The problem is the DNT flag was unenforceable, and that's something governments should have pushed on.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by pornel »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #12

Better question here is, why is this not handled through the browser instead of relying on individual web apps to do it. Block third party cookies by default, delete other cookies on the last tab or window closed and prompt user to save cookies on a form submit ("do not delete cookies for this domain when leaving" type of prompt, for pages with logins, settings, etc). Also remove features that make easy fingerprintin…

We had P3P spec for it 20 years ago, even implemented in IE! And Google has been sending intentionally malformed P3P header to bypass it. Their trillion dollar business relies on users having difficulty stopping tracking.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by dingledork69 »

TekMol wrote: post #15

I have switched one of my sites to cookieless analytics and it is bad for everybody. I can't even say how many users this site has now. It could be the same user coming back over and over. Or many users. How would I know. Yes, I could track a ton of stats about every pageview like user agent, screen resolution etc and then try to stitch it back together. Trying to figure out how many different users there are. But th…

Sure you can. Just stop crying because you can't share data about your users with 3rd parties without asking them first and get over it.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by dingledork69 »

kmlx wrote: post #34
pelorat wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you need to know anything but hits/month and ad-revenue/month? Why don't you just hash the IP-address and count unique users that way?

that's easy: to improve the service.

Okay, how? Provide details, thanks.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by Veuxdo »

mtkhaos wrote: post #131
TekMol wrote: post #15

I have switched one of my sites to cookieless analytics and it is bad for everybody. I can't even say how many users this site has now. It could be the same user coming back over and over. Or many users. How would I know. Yes, I could track a ton of stats about every pageview like user agent, screen resolution etc and then try to stitch it back together. Trying to figure out how many different users there are. But th…

Local Storage? Cookies are just a Dumb Implementation and only persist due to advertising.

You can't use LS or anything like that to get around GDPR.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by titzer »

FTA:

> “We value your privacy…”

There's a special place in hell for the originators of this Orwellian triple-speak. Three meanings overlapped: meant to give users the impression that "we respect your privacy" or "we protect your privacy"--but it doesn't say that. It says they value your privacy, which is literally true; they're happy to put a dollar amount on it and sell or mine it, because it's of value to them. That's two true senses; one inferred and one real. But the second gives rise to the third, Orwellian meaning: these people actually don't value your privacy at all. It's a lie, pure and simple. A special kind of lie that has such a flippant, corporate-speak, technically-accurate dry meaning that is meant for a court of law--it holds up when lawyers start arguing long technicalities before a judge--but just one level deeper it is despairingly careless and dystopian.

When I see this phrase I just know I don't want whatever it is these people are going to do with my data. They benefit and I don't.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by Yizahi »

arendtio wrote: post #110
Yizahi wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The 'general victim blaming' feels weird in contexts when there are at least three parties involved (MS, Google, End-Users + X)(NATO, Ukraine, Russia). And how would you call it, when you compare a technological detail like the default setting of a HTTP header with a war where thousands of humans die? Hyperbole? Metaphorical exaggeration? I think that is not a good base for a constructive discussion.

A literal cartel or corporations expected to prey on the individual humans betting on the gaps in our psychology. A different corporation has bridged these gaps simply by saying out loud what individual humans actually want, working as a simple re-transmitter of human thoughts. And cartel said that "oh, since we can't win easily now, then you are at fault now" (and not the cartel who blackmailed the world in the first place).

Same happened with Ruzzia. They wanted an easy win (to re-capture everything up to west Berlin again), and because of their blaickmail were quickly denied most of those easy wins, when their prey has hidden under NATO protection. They finally tried to capture whatever remained and when encountering resistance they blamed NATO.

Basically every powerful sociopath, be is Ruzzia or ad-tech corpo, want to have absolute freedom of taking what they want. And any attempt to deny them something is considered a fault of the defending party.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by yalogin »

Because no one wants to give up the data, and the revenue that comes with it. They just annoy the hell out of the users until they cave in and just accept it. Since it’s a law and every website has to do it, there is no competition to think of. It’s a no brainer
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