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Re: Bard now open to use

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Post by nojonestownpls »

> To help with quality and improve our products, human reviewers read, annotate, and process your Bard conversations. ... *Please do not include information that can be used to identify you or others in your Bard conversations.*

Eek!

Was my first response on reading it, but tbh on reflection, there isn't really anything in my ChatGPT conversations that I would mind a human reading, and I expect the same for Bard (as long as it's disconnected from my login, which this policy mentions they do). It just feels weird that your "conversation" could be intruded upon and inspected by third parties at any point in the future.

(They also mention that you can "pause saving Bard activity", but knowing Google, that probably results in you not being able to access any Bard history whatsoever, even if saved in the past.)

Re: Bard now open to use

#132

Post by thisisit »

Bard is no where near ChatGPT quality. Not even GPT-3.5.

My test was to translate lines of Korean text. The prompt is simple. "Translate these sentences from Korean to English: ". ChatGPT works all the time. Quality isn't great but it works.

Bard, on the other hand, gets confused. It simply repeats the Korean text. I need to prompt it again - "I asked for a translation". And then it starts to work correctly.

Re: Bard now open to use

#134

Post by binkHN »

sowbug wrote: post #61
qwertox wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll have to enable Apps > Additional Google services > Settings for Early Access Apps > Core Data Access Permissions -> Allow users at your organization to access Google Workspace and Customer Data using Early Access apps. This doesn't enable Bard per-se, but enables your Workspace for these new AI things, which should include Bard. I can't access Bard on my domain account due to the existing country limitations (…

Thanks. I couldn't find anything titled "Settings for Early Access Apps" or "Core Data Access Permissions," but I did enable "Early Access Apps" and was told to wait 24 hours, which I guess is a cooling-off period or something, because I can't imagine that could be a caching policy. And as another commenter predicted, searching the admin console for "Bard" turns up no settings.

Thanks for this! I think this is a new setting. If you go into Early Access Apps, you can Allow the Core Data Access Permissions, but it's not clear what this actually enables.

Here is the URL for this and it specifically mentions Bard:

https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&arti...

Re: Bard now open to use

#135

Post by HlessClaudesman »

kyrra wrote: post #16
skinkestek wrote: post #4

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! When Google was a startup and even a decade in they managed to treat everyone the same. Today this has went backwards like everything else Google it seems.

The problem of being a massive company is that everyone wants to sue you. They could want to sue you for money. Or maybe sue you because they think you are bad. Whatever the reason, when you're Google's size, you need to make sure you're compliant with every local regulation before you launch anything or someone may come after you. Googler, opinions are my own.

How is fragmenting the internet good for Google?

Re: Bard now open to use

#136

Post by ifvictr »

sowbug wrote: post #61
qwertox wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll have to enable Apps > Additional Google services > Settings for Early Access Apps > Core Data Access Permissions -> Allow users at your organization to access Google Workspace and Customer Data using Early Access apps. This doesn't enable Bard per-se, but enables your Workspace for these new AI things, which should include Bard. I can't access Bard on my domain account due to the existing country limitations (…

Thanks. I couldn't find anything titled "Settings for Early Access Apps" or "Core Data Access Permissions," but I did enable "Early Access Apps" and was told to wait 24 hours, which I guess is a cooling-off period or something, because I can't imagine that could be a caching policy. And as another commenter predicted, searching the admin console for "Bard" turns up no settings.

You need to click into "Early Access Apps" from the services list, which takes you to the service's settings page.

Re: Bard now open to use

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Post by jsnell »

dano wrote: post #126

I cannot understand why Google doesn't release products for all of their users. Bard isn't supported for this account (Google Workspace) https://imgur.com/a/HCDNO9A

Because Workspace accounts have different expectations around e.g. data use and admin controls. Your domain admin hasn't permitted use of this product.

Re: Bard now open to use

#138

Post by joshvm »

tmoravec wrote: post #26

Does anyone have experience with how Bard compares to ChatGPT-4? If ChatGPT-4 is on the verge of usefulness for a layperson, is it worth spending time with Bard?

It's not as good yet, but ChatGPT (et al) has likely benefited a lot from extensive user interaction and feedback (which can be fed back into fine-tuning). I doubt they could get such diverse user responses without opening up to the public (even with their internal/outsourced RLHF).

Re: Bard now open to use

#139

Post by ChubbyGlasses »

i've been playing around with bard a little bit throughout i/o now and it's really good at getting the big picture but tries a little to hard to be vague when asking specifics (unless it's about code, in which case it's stellar, but that is less interesting to me).

i asked it to generate some code for something i've never worked with and it seems to do a good job, not perfect but good enough for me to get a running head start.

on the other hand, i want to try and learn french, but for the life of me, i couldn't get it to provide a good starter page for learning pronunciation and the basics. bard did a good job providing a basic learning plan, but not more than that.

first time using a LLM (chatgpt or otherwise) but it's been pretty neat if a bit limited rn. like everyone else has mentioned, i want the computer from star trek and would probably be willing to pay for for it if the value proposition was high enough (read give me "superpowers" i didn't have before, less about refining my existing skill set).

Re: Bard now open to use

#140

Post by sundarurfriend »

xiande04 wrote: post #118

I asked it what ports `nmap -sn` and `nmap -F` scan. It correctly stated that `-sn` does not scan ports. It then stated that `-F` also uses a ping scan (false) and does not scan any ports (also false). When I quoted the man page on -F, it said this: > You're right. The nmap man page does say that `nmap -F` scans fewer ports than the default scan. However, it does not say that `nmap -F` scans any ports at all. 1. It's…

The "arguing" is weird, but I'll note that I've had very similar conversations with ChatGPT where it hallucinated options to commands, gave them wrong meanings, "corrected" itself in a further wrong direction, etc.
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