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New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by snvzz »

Pxtl wrote: post #33
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #22

Does that mean subbing out my rice for brown rice or subbing out my white sourdough for whole grain sourdough reduced risk?? Or if I still eat way too much whole wheat pasta it’ll still contribute to t2d down the line?

I mean I'm 41 and mostly ate whole wheat and brown rice when I cooked and still got T2D, but on the other hand I have an incredible weakness for breakfast cereal -- not the sugary ones, just carb-loading on cheerios.

>breakfast

When waking up, body goes overdrive into making glucose on its own.

Eating breakfast at all seems to me like a bad idea. You want to keep the fast going for as long as possible, not break it.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rleigh »

cyounkins wrote: post #79
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

High fructose corn syrup is a very poor example. It is composed of fructose and glucose, both very familiar molecules to our bodies.

However, glucose can be stored and metabolised throughout the body whilst fructose requires processing in the liver. Our bodies are not designed to have a large instantaneous "hit" of fructose. They can cope with slow release of natural fructose in fruits, but in processed food it's soluble and released very quickly. The kinetics of how it's processed are very different.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rleigh »

pengaru wrote: post #112
ulfw wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America is not the world. High fructose corn syrup is a very American thing. Over 90% of the nutritive sweetener used worldwide is sucrose.

Sure, but HFCS is also a bit of a red herring. Sucrose is half fructose, the difference from HFCS is minor - they're both problematic for humans to consume in excess.

There's a very big difference between HFCS and sucrose. HFCS is soluble monosaccarides. Sucrose is a disaccaride which requires enzymatic cleaving to produce free fructose and glucose. The kinetics of the fructose processing are very different as a result--with sucrose the release is much slower because it's rate-limited by the quantity and kinetics of the sucrase enzyme. It's not going to hit your liver with a high concentration of fructose instantaneously, it's going to be a slower release over an extended period.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by MikeDelta »

candiddevmike wrote: post #15

I've been suffering from hypoglycemia for a good part of my life, and recently the episodes have started to become a bit more frequent (a bad hypoglycemia episode is like an incredibly horrifying panic attack). Trying to figure out WTF is going on with me has been daunting, everyone tells me to eat more sugar or more complex carbs which just seems to repeat the cycle. No one wants to test me, or knows what to test me…

Have you looked into the glycemic index of what you eat?

The glycemic index (GI) relates to the effect food has on the glucose levels after consumption: high is more severe than low. Vegetables have a low index and sugary foods a high one. Surprisingly white bread and cornflakes also have a high index, and other foods we would not describe as sugary.

Maybe the 'bad food' turns out to have a high index.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by aszantu »

stemlord wrote: post #124
aszantu wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this makes me so sad. I can't eat anything sweet and the one thing I found that I seem to tolerate well to a degree is sweetened with sucralose, sweet is addictive... I just ate 8 apples today when I lost control and I'm going to pay the price the next few days (food intolerance)

I have oral allergy syndrome and get a reaction when I eat a bunch of different fruits raw. I'm allergic to fucking apples. LOL

this is really sad :(

checked out this, out of curiosity https://www.thermofisher.com/diagnostic-education/hcp/de/de/...

Birch also shares an allergen with cashew nuts and tomatoes, afaik

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by aszantu »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #113
aszantu wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this makes me so sad. I can't eat anything sweet and the one thing I found that I seem to tolerate well to a degree is sweetened with sucralose, sweet is addictive... I just ate 8 apples today when I lost control and I'm going to pay the price the next few days (food intolerance)

Are you intolerant to apples? If not, I think you’re in good shape as far as binging goes. I eat two or three apples just about every day. As far as food habits go I think it’s one of the best I’ve had.

Seemingly intolerant to starches and sugar in general, leads to depression. Weirdly enough green stuff seems to give me panic attacks and suicidal ideation. Takes about 4 days to get into effect. Probably something to do with fermentation. Next one will be the 3rd Therapist, this time she's also a general practicioner. There are all kinds of doctors on youtube talking about this, but haven't found one in Germany who could give me a diagnosis... I'm so frustrated

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by dangwhy »

Operyl wrote: post #68
dangwhy wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> isn't overweight i am not overweight but i am fat, if that makes sense. Lacking muscle makes you prone to low insulin sensitivity and t2d.

I guess it’s worth qualifying that my mother is not fat either, she’s a normal skinny human being with regular muscle density in this regard.

yea unfortunately all these diseases have a lot do with cellular dysfunction from ageing. I ate mcdonalds and soda for 4 yrs in college everday but never had any diabetes.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

aszantu wrote: post #136
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you intolerant to apples? If not, I think you’re in good shape as far as binging goes. I eat two or three apples just about every day. As far as food habits go I think it’s one of the best I’ve had.

Seemingly intolerant to starches and sugar in general, leads to depression. Weirdly enough green stuff seems to give me panic attacks and suicidal ideation. Takes about 4 days to get into effect. Probably something to do with fermentation. Next one will be the 3rd Therapist, this time she's also a general practicioner. There are all kinds of doctors on youtube talking about this, but haven't found one in Germany who…

Oh wow, that sounds incredibly frustrating. It seems wise to consider that it might be a fermentation problem, perhaps a serious imbalance of microbes or something.

Good luck. I dealt with GI issues that lead to both physical and psychological misery once (after repeated courses of antibiotics), and my advice is to hang in there — you could find something that works for you, even it takes a while.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by BigCryo »

jmartrican wrote: post #8

Really confused as to how processed meats lead to an insulin resistance disease. Also, I thought refined carbs have similar glucose index as their non-refined counter parts, so how would adding more insulin inducing foods be beneficial? And how come the grand daddy of insulin spikes, sugar, isn't a factor?

The article represents conventional wisdom among dietitians and scientists and so forth. It is true that overconsumption of processed meats and red meats and poor carbohydrate quality does lead to an increase in weight being overweight etc, especially weight over the stomach.. if you have a fat stomach you have insulin resistance and it decreases output from the pancreas.. this causes high blood sugar..

Now however, once you get fat and specially fat over the stomach then even high quality carbohydrates can cause high blood sugar which is the definition of diabetes.. so what happens is that low quality carbs plus processed meat leads to being overweight and having a fat stomach, which causes insulin resistance and decreased output from the pancreas.. once you get in this condition however adding whole grains does not help at that point, in fact it adds to your high blood sugar and in fact eating high quality grains at that point, once you have a fat stomach, leads to high blood sugar which is the definition of diabetes

... In other words, once you have fat over the stomach in great quantities, if you eat whole grains, fruits and beans and so forth at that point, that will cause diabetes, diabetes being high blood sugar.. you want to eat the high quality carbs, fruit, and beans before you get fat.. if you eat it after you get fat you will develop diabetes because high quality carbs, fruit, beans etc will give you high blood sugar if you have fat over the stomach

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by base698 »

rcme wrote: post #83
candiddevmike wrote: post #15

I've been suffering from hypoglycemia for a good part of my life, and recently the episodes have started to become a bit more frequent (a bad hypoglycemia episode is like an incredibly horrifying panic attack). Trying to figure out WTF is going on with me has been daunting, everyone tells me to eat more sugar or more complex carbs which just seems to repeat the cycle. No one wants to test me, or knows what to test me…

I occasionally get hypoglycemia. For me, it tends to be worse if I eat a lot of sugary foods the day prior and then go through a prolonged period of not eating. Like if I eat ice cream at night and then skip breakfast. One trippy thing to try is to go on a keto diet. When your body is in ketosis, it stops using glucose as an energy source, so you shouldn't get hypoglycemia. It's actually a strange feeling. In my case…

This is what my wife did and it worked for her. She used to crash hard when eating a higher carb diet. She would hit in the 60s. After switching to keto it was more modulated and stays in the 80s.
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