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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by btilly »

dehrmann wrote: post #126
wpietri wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polynesian navigational techniques are very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation

To what extent were they good at navigating, and to what extent is there a survivorship bias?

This came up in a college course I took.

Traditional Polynesian boats were operating alongside modern technology in the 1950s and 1969s. The Polynesian boats put up a better safety record!

So yeah, they really were good at navigating. And to think, they did it lying on their back! The cues that they were using were from the swell, the stars, and birds. You feel the swell most clearly lying down. The other two are above you.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by twic »

kqr wrote: post #118
wpietri wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polynesian navigational techniques are very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation

The power of oral tradition is nuts. It can preserve information for thousands of years.

Speaking of Polynesian navigation being nuts: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/testicular-navigation

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by DavidVoid »

dehrmann wrote: post #127
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

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In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

I used to work for a Swedish company with a system named "foo-ws," as in Foo Web Service. It's pronounced "foo vee ess." Because Swedish. IIRC, www is vee vee vee.

> Because Swedish. IIRC, www is vee vee vee.

I can confirm. I mean, the "proper" pronunciation is dubbel-vee-dubbel-vee-dubbel-vee, but we can't be bothered to say all that so we just say vee-vee-vee.

I also think "double-v" is a better name for the letter w than "double-u" is.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by DavidVoid »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #22
nixass wrote: post #18

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> At least it wasn't Wasa showing up.. *Vasa

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

Differentiating between English J and Y is also difficult for Swedes (at least for me), because in Swedish, a J at the start of a word is typically pronounced with a Y-sound. I have to make a conscious effort to make sure I don't get the words jet and yet mixed up when I say them.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by jacquesm »

twic wrote: post #90
jiggywiggy wrote: post #66

Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times. Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning. I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a…

This makes me think of this haunting 1919 painting of Elcano's return from the first circumnavigation of the earth in 1522: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/gAXBe3j1qN_gLQ

What an incredibly moving picture and story. Thank you.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by guynamedloren »

mhb wrote: post #77

Rebuilding Tally Ho: https://youtu.be/4FhTu3aGM60 Description I’m on a mission to rebuild a 1910 English sailing yacht called Tally Ho. Designed by Albert Strange in 1909, she is a well-known and important historic vessel – but after many adventures she was left in a remote port in Oregon to rot for decades, despite some valiant attempts to rescue her. I bought her and moved her to the Olympic Peninsular earlier this…

I was entranced by this project from the very first episode 5 years ago! I followed along for maybe a year or so, and haven’t caught any updates since.

Happy to see the project (and channel) is still going strong. Such an incredible endeavor!

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by enos-ape »

btilly wrote: post #129
sandworm101 wrote: post #56

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship) Fysa, they almost certainly completed the rescue using their twin 500hp diesels rather than sail power. One sailboat towing another creates a host of sail/wind/wave issues. Almost every large sailing vessel, including historic replicas, has diesel engines for those times that sail is just too awkward.

The pictures from the towed boat verify this. The sails were reefed during the tow, which says that it wasn't wind that was supplying the power.

Furthermore you see clearly in the pictures taken from the small boat that the engine coolant system of the Goetheburg is working, spilling out water. Thus the main engines are in action.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by jacquesm »

mhb wrote: post #77

Rebuilding Tally Ho: https://youtu.be/4FhTu3aGM60 Description I’m on a mission to rebuild a 1910 English sailing yacht called Tally Ho. Designed by Albert Strange in 1909, she is a well-known and important historic vessel – but after many adventures she was left in a remote port in Oregon to rot for decades, despite some valiant attempts to rescue her. I bought her and moved her to the Olympic Peninsular earlier this…

That whole series is absolutely incredible, when I saw the first episode I was sure he'd let it go because it was just too much work, basically a complete rebuild. But then he pulled the trigger on it and is making really amazing progress. One of the most impressive projects I've every followed.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by oh_sigh »

twic wrote: post #90
jiggywiggy wrote: post #66

Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times. Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning. I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a…

This makes me think of this haunting 1919 painting of Elcano's return from the first circumnavigation of the earth in 1522: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/gAXBe3j1qN_gLQ

Those are the faces of men who wished they stayed in Brazil.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by wlonkly »

ineedasername wrote: post #87
SapporoChris wrote: post #39

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The towing was a fairly simple procedure and they could maintain a safe distance. Transporting crew between ships on the high sea would be a dangerous and complex task. They might not even have the equipment for it.

I have a question. this is going to be a really uninformed question but keep in mind my knowledge of boat transfers come from movies and I don’t consider Pirates of the Caribbean authoritative on the topic. What makes it so difficult, and what sort of special equipment is required? I know, I know, cargo nets on the side of the ship are not going to be sufficient, easy as it looks in pop entertainment, I just don’t kn…

You can get an idea of the challenge by searching Youtube for videos of "pilot transfer" -- keeping in mind that pilot boats are intended to be boarded from, and container ships intended to be boarded by pilots.

(But then again, Gotheborg is surely equipped to take on pilots to enter harbours, so it was probably more about not abandoning the otherwise perfectly good sailboat.)

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