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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm genuinely interested in this use case.

Do you keep the laptop on a desk when you're using the touchscreen? I don't think framework has hinges that convert it into a tablet-esque form, so I'm kinda flummoxed on how a touchscreen is useful for long articles. Something about reaching out and touching the screen seems laborious compared to scrolling on a mousewheel or swiping slightly on a trackpad (or even just pressing spacebar). Laptops just don't seem to designed for that.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by voidmain0001 »

culturestate wrote: post #124
hall0ween wrote: post #115

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I'm on the flip side of this preference. If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

> If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one. Is there some specific quality-related reason for this? I’m not a fan of touchscreens on laptops but absent some glaring technical issue I can’t imagine that being a blocker for my purchases.

A touch screen adds weight and a glossy display. I purposely purchased the Lenovo T14S Gen 3 AMD without a touch screen as I prefer a matte screen, and the device is lighter.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dcow »

zamnos wrote: post #103
prettyStandard wrote: post #90

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They seem to be doing everything they can to make it not proprietary. I'm not sure if there's more that they can do.

a couple possibilities off the top of my head, starting with actually working with other vendors, so it's not only them making them. Work on the whole supply chain - including recycling - for these things. do a "buy one give one" type deal to seed the hardware more widely. write a bunch of software for the device so there's even more of a draw to get one of these. develop an ARM board. All of these projects are non-t…

Lol wut? You want VCs to fund the creation/incubation of a laptop mainboard spec using equity from Framework just to spoon-feed other vendors into competition? I mean it kinda seems like the onus is on new vendors to work off the published specs and and with Framework as interest grows to codify a standard so they can be relevant. I’m sure Framework would love that. It’s really dumb to see people advocating for Framework to waste resources solving a problem that doesn't exist.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by znpy »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

on the other hand, i would think twice before buying a laptop with touchscreen.

i don't use it at all and it's mostly a waste of battery power, as there usually is no way to explicitly power it down (except maybe opening the laptop and snipping the right cable -- but who wants to do that ?)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by WD-42 »

squokko wrote: post #123
hall0ween wrote: post #115

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I'm on the flip side of this preference. If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

Why? You can always turn off the touchscreen. I have on my laptop.

They make the display worse.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by znpy »

squokko wrote: post #123
hall0ween wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the flip side of this preference. If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one.

Why? You can always turn off the touchscreen. I have on my laptop.

can you turn it off in hardware though?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by zeven7 »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #131
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm genuinely interested in this use case. Do you keep the laptop on a desk when you're using the touchscreen? I don't think framework has hinges that convert it into a tablet-esque form, so I'm kinda flummoxed on how a touchscreen is useful for long articles. Something about reaching out and touching the screen seems laborious compared to scrolling on a mousewheel or swiping slightly on a trackpad (or even just pres…

Not OP, but I enjoy touchscreens on laptops also. I can get by without it. I see it as a nice to have but not a necessity. It won't make or break a decision when choosing a laptop for me. Here are some reasons I like it when I do have a laptop with it:

- I think it's a better zoom experience. You can get a similar experience with a touchpad, but it's just nicer to touch the screen where you are pinch zooming IMO.

- Signing documents. I don't do this often but much prefer to use a touchscreen over a track pad when I do have to.

- Some games are better. Again not a big part of my life, but occasionally I'll play some drawing game where a touch screen shines.

- My kids understand a touch screen better. Occasionally I am on my laptop showing them something and them having the ability to reach over and touch the screen directly is a better UX for that situation.

- I do kind of like to scroll with it sometimes, but I can't really say why.

Again, not a make or break it feature for me, but all things being equal I'd choose to have it rather than not.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rektide »

mfer wrote: post #58
TOMDM wrote: post #38

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That's pretty rough, one of the great things about the Framework was being able to treat all ports the same. Is there any explenation on why they couldn't achieve this with AMD's new chips? I'm sure they would have supported that if they were able to.

It has to do with what the chips can support. Compare the AMD USB channels [1] with the Intel Thunderbold channels [2]. Intel has more channels for motherboard/system manufacturers to work with. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-7840u.c3212#ga... [2] https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-i7-1370p.c3055#ga...

It's such a pity AMD revolutionized bandwidth & interconnectivity on Epyc (128 lanes PCIe) , but has left consumers hanging. Threadripper HDET was 64 lanes (the Pro really was a full Epyc, 128 lanes, 8 channel memory) but now Threadripper is gone.

Meanwhile desktop & mobile have been so capped, at 20 - 24 lanes, right where we were.

The Thunderbolt 4 abilities of Intel chips is just stunning. 160Gbps of connectivity, usable for host to host connectivity... I wish AMD were trying to catch up here, wouldnt compromise their lead by being so far behind here.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by spyremeown »

rtpg wrote: post #33
jaegrqualm wrote: post #4

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Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.

while in theory there are arm things available on various package repos, in practice I've hit a good amount of stuff not packaged yet (in my case, the context was more around people doing stuff via docker M1)

Alpine, Debian and Arch have never given me a miss regarding packaging for arm64/hf. And I work specifically with embedded Linux using those distros as a base.
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