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Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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I'm saying, all of these. Why are they "body moving fast" activated?

Biology is complicated. If we start digging for mechanistic underpinnings, we'll uncover thousands of genes, variants, expression levels, metabolic pathways, epigenetic factors, etc etc etc. None of which will result in a cure-all pill or method to replace exercise and all its benefits. Just not gonna happen unfortunately

who's to say.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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So you are basically just making up nonsense to justify your own laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to lie to yourself to feel better about your own failings then go ahead, but if you post misinformation on here then expect to get called out. Passion and philosophy is irrelevant. Lack of exercise is a proven killer, worse than smoking. It also delivers cognitive benefits beyond just the physical stuff. That…

You didn't read a word, really? This has nothing to do with lack of exercise being a problem. Your crusade to inform me about exercise is wasted; my own before & after pics from extreme weight loss and advanced fitness are easily found online, lmao. It's pretty clear so far that I could lecture you on aspects of exercise that are well beyond your experience level. Exercise _can be a problem that people need to cope w…

There are a tiny number of obsessive people who are essentially addicted to exercise and do it excessively to the point of harming themselves. But they are so rare as to be statistically insignificant. For everyone else, more and harder exercise is a solution, not a problem.

https://peterattiamd.com/ama38/

Your other details are irrelevant and I intentionally ignored them as being unworthy of a serious response.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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I am currently lying in hospital after a so far 7 night stay. I am post chemo for Hairy Cell Leukaemia treatment that commenced 17 days ago. I am doing well enough but it's a struggle. ( I previously was successfully treated for the same chronic condition 9 years ago). My normal weight is around 80kg (I'm a 59yo male). I think I got down to 79kg prior to treatment this time - we actively sought exercise in the prior…

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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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I am currently lying in hospital after a so far 7 night stay. I am post chemo for Hairy Cell Leukaemia treatment that commenced 17 days ago. I am doing well enough but it's a struggle. ( I previously was successfully treated for the same chronic condition 9 years ago). My normal weight is around 80kg (I'm a 59yo male). I think I got down to 79kg prior to treatment this time - we actively sought exercise in the prior…

Bless you, martyvis. Thank you for sharing your story.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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It's because western culture jumped the shark long ago. Half of every longevity tips is basically "no modern life". Eat fresh, few, move a lot, sleep a lot, talk a lot.

Few what?

Eat few, in general. Don't force your body to store fat you won't need.

Even proteins, I just learned that unused proteins will be converted to fat.

Also, if you agree that gut microbiome is important, try to eat foods that will be benefitial to them, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiota-accessible_carbohyd... (another thing I discovered recently).

Then there's fasting and autophagy but it's a bit harder (I'm just starting IF and it requires a bit of dedication tbh)

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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That's the way to make sure you're unhappy. Exercise, and life, should never be about "embracing the suck". Finding ways to exercise that you enjoy and that can fit in your schedule makes it a default state rather than something you avoid.

No, you're just completely wrong. That doesn't make people unhappy. Where did you come up with such a ridiculous notion? Do you lack experience in the real world? Have you never played competitive sports?

Idk I think I'm completely right, exercise is supposed to be fun and trying to willpower your way through something you hate is a surefire way to be unhappy

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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No, you're just completely wrong. That doesn't make people unhappy. Where did you come up with such a ridiculous notion? Do you lack experience in the real world? Have you never played competitive sports?

Idk I think I'm completely right, exercise is supposed to be fun and trying to willpower your way through something you hate is a surefire way to be unhappy

No, you're just completely wrong. Life in general isn't supposed to be fun. If you believe that then you really missed the point. Sticking to a consistent exercise program doesn't take willpower, it's just a matter of discipline.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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bioscience phd student. Why is this interesting? Tl;dr from the article, they used flow cytometry to quantify different cell populations in the blood, and noted that the proportion of CD8+ T cells (cytotoxic, the kind of immune cells that recognize and kill cancer cells, among other things) increases after exercise and returns to baseline 30 min later. Claiming that this supports the idea that cancer patients could b…

Medical doctor. This is exactly what I thought.

There's simply not enough here to say if it's just an interesting artefact of exercise or an actual helpful response. It may be a useful starting point for further studies, but the comment section is frightening in how quickly people are jumping on this to confirm their biases on health and disease.

If we were to extrapolate from this logic, we would wrongly conclude that people with autoimmune diseases should never exercise.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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34 year old triathlete here: colon cancer spread from my colon to my lung. That said, I do think continuing to do some amount of exercise during chemo definitely helped me recover, if not just stay sane mentally. I'm about to have surgery to remove part of the lung and tumor and my surgeon/oncology team is making me wear a fitbit for three months to study my recovery.

What did you do for exercise? Do you mind me asking what your chemo was? Was it mutation-specific? Good luck with the surgery!

I was on Folfirinnox + Avastin. 2 week cycle with three actual days of chemo, five shitty days and then a recovery week. Exercise was really dictated by my port surgically put into my right peck. After about four weeks I could deadlift, squat, all the compound lifts + run,bike,swim if I had the energy.

The surgery was supposed to be VATs, but the tumor was so large it turned into a general thoracotomy. It's fucking brutal. Easily the hardest thing i've had to do in life so far. But I'll get through it because there's no other choice. Forward. :)

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