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An Update on the Lock Icon

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Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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post #23

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httpforever.com is my go to.

Nice. I see that https://httpforever.com/ exists with a 301 redirect to http://httpforever.com/ , but that's probably good enough for most practical purposes.

"Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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post #84
post #16

If you're using Chrome, right-click the URL bar and check "Always show full URLs", so you can see the https:// prefix like it's 1999. This also fixes a variety of UX problems with editing URLs. By the way, does anyone know of a good alternative to http://neverssl.com ? I had been using this for years, but now it supports SSL for some unfathomable reason.

http://www.alwayshttp.com

That one has some sort of weird forever-loading TLS unfortunately.

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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post #94

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"See the 2 people with all their limbs cut off, staring up at the clouds?"

My first impression was 69, but I may be biased since it is the month & day of my birth

> 69

Ok, I'm in.

By the power vested in me by the Elders of the Internet, I hereby acknowledge `verdverm` as the original coiner of the term "The 69 icon".

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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post #123

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Somewhere in the past six months, on a page where we have to force users to HTTP, Chrome on Android has broken about 90% of the time with "too many redirects" and no way to even type " http:// " into the URL bar without Chrome changing it. Finally had to just give users a raw IP address. I would love if your team could fix this or provide some opt-out. For context, each of the retail locations of our company runs its…

Why not use Talescale / ZeroTier / etc to get those local boxes connected together into a single virtual overlay network with that gateway (which, from the client site's perspective, is basically just "install app, paste pairing token", and is zero maintenance from then on); and then make your web iframe "gateway" discover these devices that are now on its network, and act as an actual request-proxying gateway for th…

TBH, this system has been in production since 2016, and the stores essentially can't operate with any downtime... I dispatch updates that are auto-downloaded, and when one of them misfires and I have to spend an hour on remote access, that store's business comes to a halt causing a huge disruption as they transition to paper notes and whiteboards. (The software lets employees track and take ownership of the checkin/checkout and movement of dogs around 30k sqft petcare facilities, each with hundreds of dogs per day... so just the amount of barking when I'm on the phone with these places makes it hilariously difficult to guide people through tech support).

I looked a little bit at Tailscale but assumed it would be too complex for the store employees to manage and would require a lot of hands-on maintenance, and a store-by-store hand holding process which requires scheduling each of them weeks in advance. As it is, the system is secure (local wifi only accessible to employees) and runs even if the store's internet connection goes fully offline... so... I think I'll take your tip and look at it again... the plex model is essentially what I was going for... but I'd be reticent to add any other layers of complexity or anything that could cause downtime.

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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post #8

What's with the naming and visuals of the "tune" icon, which seems to be a "site settings" icon with weird left- and right-justified radio buttons?

I've got to say, "tune" is such a weird word to choose, it almost sounds like a bad translation.

Tuning is associated with musical notes (originally) and then with cars (optimizing performance) and engines more generally.

It's a weird metaphor to use for an icon that's usually been called "settings".

Because settings are not tuning, because engine/car tuning isn't about choosing your preferred settings, it's about small adjustments to maximize performance.

(The visual icon makes sense since it shows the popup to toggle settings for the site.)

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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> The new icon is scheduled to launch in Chrome 117, which releases in early September 2023, as part of a general design refresh for desktop platforms. I downloaded Chrome Canary to take a look at this "general design refresh" and... sigh. The new browser UI is now 10 pixels taller than the old one. I realize 10 pixels isn't a lot. But it's also not noting—it's half the height of the top bar on Hacker News. And this…

I created a comparison. [1]

[1] https://i.imgur.com/cuCcyf1.png

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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Traffic lights. Everyone everywhere knows red, yellow, and green now, and how to navigate around colorblindness (both red and green lights are tinted to be distinguishable).

Traffic lights are a combination of color and position; even if one is completely colorblind, the position of the lit lamp is sufficient to discern the signal. The above suggestion doesn't have that sort of double-encoding of the data. (This holds even for the odd horizontal signal, though I would expect most non-colorblind people would not be able to tell you the orientation from memory. … and … there are plenty of…

> Traffic lights are a combination of color and position

There are some places in the US where the traditional 3-color traffic light is mounted sideways.

I don't remember if it's RYG or GYR. I would expect this to be confusing to a person with the right kind of color-blindness!

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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Traffic lights are a combination of color and position; even if one is completely colorblind, the position of the lit lamp is sufficient to discern the signal. The above suggestion doesn't have that sort of double-encoding of the data. (This holds even for the odd horizontal signal, though I would expect most non-colorblind people would not be able to tell you the orientation from memory. … and … there are plenty of…

Traffic lights still work without position, as they'd have to at night, in fog, in glare, and so on. Point is, the meaning of the colors appears to be universally understood thanks to driving, and distinguishing the colors has been addressed. If there are exceptions, I suppose localizations and accessibility modes are just the thing.

Colors do not have universal meaning. This web browser design might work in the US, but there are 194 other countries out there. (also, position does not fix the problem of traffic lights for the colorblind)

The idea that everybody else should have to change to fit crap design isn't a good argument. The design should be fixed, not monkey-patched for everyone but one use case.

Re: An Update on the Lock Icon

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> The new icon is scheduled to launch in Chrome 117, which releases in early September 2023, as part of a general design refresh for desktop platforms. I downloaded Chrome Canary to take a look at this "general design refresh" and... sigh. The new browser UI is now 10 pixels taller than the old one. I realize 10 pixels isn't a lot. But it's also not noting—it's half the height of the top bar on Hacker News. And this…

I created a comparison. [1] [1] https://i.imgur.com/cuCcyf1.png

From the article:

> We think the tune icon [...] is more obviously clickable.

Yeah, because they made two changes and made it look like a button by modifying the surrounding area as well as changing the icon itself. The lock icon would also be more obviously clickable if it had the same changes in its surrounding area. How ridiculous of a comparison to make while changing two things.

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