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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

oldstrangers wrote: post #92
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #82

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Having watched Karpov/Kasparov battles as a child, I don't think that the match format is ridiculous. I'd only change the tiebreaks rule to use the same time control as the main event.

Well yeah, the match format wasn't ridiculous in the 80s and 90s when it was still human prep vs human prep.

So, now you have computers that show you the best moves, ok. But this knowledge still has to be squeezed into a human brain. So I don't see any problem with the match format. And even 'draw death' talks are laughable after latest candidates tournament and yours championship.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by jackmott42 »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49
agubelu wrote: post #22

It was a very exciting WCC, but I feel like something should be done about the post-match press conferences. Many of the questions asked in the most prestigious chess tournament are not even remotely related to the games that were played, and sometimes plainly disrespectful towards the players. The first question right after a new World Champion has been crowned was about the weather.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

What a horrible comment

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by polytely »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

I really liked Hikaru's recaps of the games [1] this tournament, prefer those to watching live because it feels for me like to actually enjoy live classical chess you need to pay full attention and the games are way too long for that, if I only pay a tiny bit attention I don't really get much out of it.

1: https://youtu.be/lNzNgFy_P1g

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by riwsky »

dlp211 wrote: post #120
NhanH wrote: post #68

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He first voiced his discontent with the format around 13-15 years ago (he was #1 player by elo rating, but not yet the world champion), even skipping a cycle or two as protest. Afterward, he participated anyway and hold the title in fairly dominating fashion 10 years straight. Maybe we should take his words at face value and that he really is fed up with the thing.

To further solidify this, Magnus crushed Ian in the last WCC 7.5 to 3.5. I think most folks agree that Magnus is the best player in the world, but the WCC was far better with him not in it.

Magnus OP, ruins meta. needs nerf in next patch devs PLZ

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

specproc wrote: post #126
vikingerik wrote: post #96

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The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

I dunno about variance in Nepo-Carlsen. Game six was brutal, a cat playing with its food. I think it's fair to say Carlsen outclasses Nepo.

It was an incredibly long and incredibly precise game from both sides played by opponents of virtually equal skill.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

rabite wrote: post #125
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

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Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Ding is in fact the sole player that can make this not statement not true, as he is a candidate with a known positive score against Magnus. A couple WCCs ago Magnus said Ding was the only player that he wasn't sure he could win against -- but that he wouldn't make it, after a poor showing in the candidates at the time. Anyways, I don't know who would win in a Carlsen - Ding WCC. Nobody does. If the game statistics ar…

Prior to previous championship match Nepo also had positive score vs Carlsen.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

hyperbovine wrote: post #119
Bootvis wrote: post #110

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c5 in game 9 by Nepo of the match against Carlsen was not a high variance play but just playing way below his level. All the commentators spotted it instantly.

You're not kidding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7REwQ4dSOk

It's pretty much just an obvious blunder. And with 49 minutes on his clock.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by vikingerik »

specproc wrote: post #126
vikingerik wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

I dunno about variance in Nepo-Carlsen. Game six was brutal, a cat playing with its food. I think it's fair to say Carlsen outclasses Nepo.

Carlsen outclasses Nepo, yes. By a degree that is one or two mistakes across twelve full length games. Not to the degree of "tilt" or "meltdown" that the media coverage was trying to push.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Sesse__ »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #98
matsemann wrote: post #58

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> What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? Perhaps change the format. Carlsen stepped down, because it's too much preparation year after year. And with him being the GOAT, everyone was always preparing defensively and hoping for a blunder, making it somewhat "boring" games (quotes, as in draws doesn't have to be boring).

But doing that when Carlsen announced his forfeit after the candidates would be silly. If there's a time to change the format, it's now before the next cycle begins, not in the middle of the previous cycle.

Carlsen was pretty clear on this all along. He said there was a _slight_ chance of him changing his mind if Firouzja won the Candidates, which he was nowhere near doing. The announcement after the Candidates was just the final confirmation. Everybody playing knew very well that the second spot would give them a very real shot at playing the WCC, Ding and Nakamura included.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #121
Upvoter33 wrote: post #114

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I wouldn't agree with the "deserves to win". If you look at the classical matches, probably Ian had the slight edge, and tbh, he could have wrapped up the entire thing in Game 13(I may not be remembering the exact game, but the one where he had a strong position but gave it away and lost, thus leading to a tie). And, honestly, in rapid, they were really really even. Even one better move at the end might have tied it…

Well, yes he could have, but he didn't. And Ding simply played better than him and beat him in that game. And in the game before that he passed up chances to play for a win with white for an easy draw. That's why I think the final game became sort of a microcosm of the match as a whole. Ian's concentration slipped and he was thinking of making a draw, and the match situation, and not the position at hand, and when Di…

It would be fair to say that it was the championship that Nepo lost, not the championship that Ding won. Game 12 was an insane blunder.
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