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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by kstenerud »

jerglingu wrote: post #22

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

I had a really bad experience with marijuana. I'd tried it a few times before, but it always had literally zero effect on me (as in I smoked as much as everyone else, they got baked and I felt nothing). And then one day I took a single hit in a shop in Vancouver and was almost instantly hit with brain zaps. It got so bad that I couldn't walk without throwing up, had trouble seeing, and this lasted for hours (from 10:30 am until a little past midnight when it finally subsided enough to sleep). Never again.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by cogitoergofutuo »

PKop wrote: post #56
Obertr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and on the other side you may get insanely creative and change your life for the better and build something valuable to the humanity. Tradeoff is clear for me.

This will never happen, and is an absurd cope for people that just want their fix and to be addicts without feeling bad.

I’m sorry, but are you saying that drugs categorically can not lead to inspiration that can help creativity?

Aldous Huxley would like a word…

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by trilbyglens »

trhr wrote: post #32

I went up into the Catskills with a big bag of mushrooms and a trunk full of rice and beans and didn't come down for a year. I learned what it means to be grounded. I'm fucking unshakable now. "Everyone's different" is the real lesson here. That being said, the way Silicon Valley uses this shit makes me want to rage. Treat it like it's sacred, and it'll treat you like you are.

I need more of this story

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by folbec »

jerglingu wrote: post #22

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

Reading the various comments on this article, I get the feeling that drugs are russian roulette with a random number of bullets in the barrel.

Some people enjoy that. Not me.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by krater23 »

Lying in a bed and puking from shrooms and thinking this was horrible is not a experience that should lead you to take LSD. In the community I know, now one would give him anything. We decide to give newbies smaller doses and sometimes we say 'not you', just based on how the people are in their normal life. For me the writer sounds like a guy that doesn't like to lose the control and needs to know what happens and can't lean back and give the rudder out of hand. Thats OK in normal life, but not when you take LSD.

Just to say it clearly, LSD enriches my life, and I know a much people that feel the same way. But it's definetly nothing for everyone and when you think about taking it, don't do it alone in your room. Find people with experience, not every week experience(!) and talk to them if it's a good idea and if yes, go to the woods and have a nice trip.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by Trasmatta »

Waterluvian wrote: post #124
Trasmatta wrote: post #79

I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

> That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. When I was 8 or 9 I had a night terror that involved some sort of life-sized game of Tetris that was moving terribly fast. My brain wholly adopted the belief that if I were to lose, everyone I loved would die horribly. I was trapped in this night terror for what felt like forever. Afterwards I refused to sleep voluntarily for weeks. To t…

I think I know the feeling exactly. I had recurrent dreams like that as a kid, that somehow always involved a large yellow sphere / ball. For some unknown reason I HAD to move that sphere, but I also knew it was impossible. It evoked this odd and terrible sensation emerging from two opposing mental forces: there was something I HAD to do at all costs but I also knew it was entirely impossible at the same time.

My “bad trips” brought back that same feeling, but magnified by a thousand.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by wizofaus »

tux3 wrote: post #88
willio58 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotes are fine for story telling but have no place in debates.

Anecdotes are rarely definite proof of anything. But bayesian evidence is bayesian evidence. And if someone tried to argue that LSD can never cause visual snow, a single anecdote is enough to refute that. Anecdotes are not always wrong in debate.

Except of course we can't know for sure the anecdote was an example of LSD causing visual snow, the drug might have been spiked or it could've just been a coincidence... Anecdotes are at best a clue that there's more research needed. Unfortunately for many people they're also often far more memorable and even convincing than cold hard statistics.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by logi2mus »

Trasmatta wrote: post #79

I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

Nocebo effect can be also pretty bad, question is, has LSD significantly more bad side effects?!

Is their a way to mitigate the nocebo effect of LSD? Setting helps? If you believe LDSD is bad or can be bad, then don't take it!

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by dj_mc_merlin »

> Halfway through my trip, about 4 hours in, visual snow started appearing on everything.

> [..]

> “Do you all see this too ?!”

> “Oh yeah, I have that. Don’t worry, you learn to live with it.”

> “LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT?! No way! WTF!”

Hehehe, I had this after an MDMA trip. The sky turned into a giant Brownian motion/visual snow playfield, to the point it was hard to see some clouds. Imagine my surprise next morning when I woke up and it still looked like that. It did go away after a couple years.

The bigger surprise was when night came and my friend realized he was still terrified of _the moon_.

But I agree with his friend, it's weird at the beginning but not actually a big deal. It turns out the sky could look different and it doesn't really matter.

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