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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #107

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. That's BS. I ran Win 11 on a 8GB tablet PC just fine (although I wouldn't recommend it, get 16 instead). I get it, we all hate windows, but can we please stick to reality and stop spreading FUD on HN?

I actually like Windows, despite all its faults, and blame the wider Windows ecosystem (and especially Chrome) for demanding and wasting so much RAM. With that said, I can easily break past 16GB just running Windows and Chrome. 32GB is the new minimum if you want an enjoyable time; swapping into the page file even with PCIE4 and PCIE5 SSDs is still miserable.

>With that said, I can easily break past 16GB just running Windows and Chrome

I find that hard to believe since Chrome now sleeps tabs. I have Chrome with 60+ tabs open right now (yes, I'm one of those hoarders) and only eats 2,7GB RAM with a total system usage of ~9GB including all my other apps I have minimized right now (Signal, Torrent, Weather, PotPlayer, etc).

So I seriously doubt you're blowing past the 16GB just with Chrome alone.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by wasyl » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

4 years ago I bought a maxed out (except storage) MBP 15" for ~3.5k EUR. A similarly specced machine now is 4.7k EUR, and a maxed out (except storage) one is 5.2k EUR. I'd really want to upgrade to a machine with M chip but with current prices I can't reasonably justify that. Instead, I got a PC with 8c/16t Ryzen with similar performance in my workload for fraction of the price, and simply use the MBP only when needed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bragadiru_mafia » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

Very few people will make more money over the next 12 months compared to the last 12. Maybe equal but not more.

This trend will worsen. Hold on to your panties, gentlemen.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dahfizz » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:23 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

That's crazy. In the USA, $2000 gets a m2 air with 24GB ram and 1TB drive. The cheapest option is $1200.

Is there added taxes / tarrifs for the european prices? That's much worse than just the EUR/USD exchange rate.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by t344344 » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:24 PM UTC

daviddever23box wrote: post #76

t344344 wrote: post #25

Apple does not have enterprise grade laptop with replaceable SSD. They need to be more competitive!

Replaceability of an SSD doesn't provide much day-to-day benefit once it's installed and encrypted; for corporate users using enterprise images, removable storage may be a vulnerability. Buy an SSD up to your cloud storage capacity, double it, and call it a day.

Buy extra cloud storage, buy extra connectivity for backups, buy extra desoldering station....

Or maybe just take screw driver and move it to next machine.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by stinos » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:24 PM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #112

dgellow wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need 32GB of RAM to run Windows…

No, but you do to run the things you're running Windows for.

By that reasoning the new minimum is now 128GB for Ubuntu, just because I need that.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by icemelt8 » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:26 PM UTC

VLM wrote: post #96

Luxury brands usually do better than people expect during a recession, surprising to see. Apple product prices are far too high for the struggles of the working poor or proletariat to notice. Apple's always been a 1%-er aspirational purchase and that income sector is doing fine. The problem I've seen WRT apple is techie type people see specs and salivate over the numbers, but the subjective experience of this years p…

its a hot take though, a Macbook Air has a better value then most Windows PCs

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by lifty » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:27 PM UTC

vardump wrote: post #124

Dalewyn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I'm typing this on a Macbook M2 max with 32 GB RAM. Not all that much open and the memory usage is at 27 GB. Chrome, Teams etc. messaging apps, Xcode and other SW dev stuff. Kinda regret I didn't go for 64 GB.

I somehow doubt that. Look at Cached files and subtract that number from Memory used, and tell us please that number.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ghostwriter » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:28 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #90

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

A base Macbook Air with 16GB of memory and 512GB of storage costs the same as the monthly salary of my country's prime minister :D

Their monthly salary is usually on top of other benefits such as subsidized/free accomodation in their capital, food and travel expenses coverage, and so on. They definitely can allow themselves a new Macbook if they wanted to buy it on their monthly salary. Most of the time they get that for free from extra allowances too.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by Dalewyn » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 12:28 PM UTC

stinos wrote: post #136

Dalewyn wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but you do to run the things you're running Windows for.

By that reasoning the new minimum is now 128GB for Ubuntu, just because I need that.

If you need 128GB of RAM, you need 128GB of RAM. Nothing unfair about that.

Personally, my newest main machine has 64GB of RAM (for now) simply because I never want to run out of RAM ever; RAM is cheap (when it ain't coming from Apple) and I hate dealing with swap thrashing.

Speaking more generally, I sincerely wouldn't suggest any lower than 32GB to any person asking for advice on a Windows setup today. Far too many programs demand far too much RAM now, with Chrome being just the leading example.