Dumb question but…why do humans keep using toxic chemicals for cooking and storing food? Surely we can find something edible.
It's cheap and convenient, the negative effects are seen decades later when the execs already cashed out
Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS
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Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS
#132Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.
can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.
A well used cast iron pan with the proper technique will be just as non stick as teflon, and much more versatile.
If you version of cooking is "put anything in the pan at whatever temperature and expect it to not stick" then stay with teflon because nothing will save you
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
wait what? what article are you reading? DR Tungs site says "All our floss is free of PTFE and PFAS (polyfluoroalkyl substances)."
the actual source https://www.mamavation.com/beauty/toxic-pfas-dental-floss-to...
What on earth are you smoking, that is NOT the actual link. That is some woo-woo garbage page. Please check this thread again.
The actual FA:
https://www.ehn.org/pfas-floss-2658203711.html
And the OP:
https://cen.acs.org/environment/persistent-pollutants/Fast-f...
Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS
#134Pick your poison. Micro-plastics or PFAS. All consumption has a trade off. Some are worse than others. Micro-plastics are causing major endocrine system disruption in youth. Testosterone levels and estrogen levels are getting all our of whack and causing gender related diversification issues that will grow exponentially over time with micro-plastic consumption levels increasing. I would pick PFAS.
Thanks god some people high up are not as defeatists and still fight for regulations
Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS
#135You know, we really don't need this disposable culture. Everyone just expects to get a disposable container everywhere they go (in the West, anyway). But we don't need disposable everything. People can carry their own set of utensils, and even their own food packaging; it's not uncommon for people to bring their own tupperwares to restaurants (wrap it in a decorative cloth to be fancy). Restaurants could also give ou…
> People can carry their own set of utensils, and even their own food packaging; Carry this, carry your own reusable bags. But also get rid of the car which could hold these things for you. Why is there such a push to make life miserable for people?
If a doctor told you to stop smoking and lower your blood pressure, would you berate him for pushing to make your life miserable?
Our collective addiction to the conveniences of modern life is leading to the proliferation of carcinogenic materials and destroying the environment. Generations upon generations lived without these spoils uphill both ways without complaint. If the slightest suggestion of lifting some weight and going for a walk is enough to induce abject misery, it might be a good time to re-evaluate the way we do things.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
we cam have a country-wide system of reusable packaging that you can get from any takeaway, abd can return to any takeawatly for a refund
I somewhat agree, but it's probably more complex than that - We have a country-wide system of reusable aluminum and glass containers that can be returned for refund and a significant portion of the population can't be bothered and just chucks them in the trash (or worse, the gutter). Lots of people don't respond to incentives well.
> We have a country-wide system of reusable aluminium and glass containers that can be returned for refund and a significant portion of the population can't be bothered
Typically metal is sorted out of every trash flow, it's really easy to detect and separate. Glass and metal are both 100% recyclable. If the incentive covers the cost of recycling / recovering the materials, it does not matter if people throw them away, they are just throwing away their own money.
Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS
#137You know, we really don't need this disposable culture. Everyone just expects to get a disposable container everywhere they go (in the West, anyway). But we don't need disposable everything. People can carry their own set of utensils, and even their own food packaging; it's not uncommon for people to bring their own tupperwares to restaurants (wrap it in a decorative cloth to be fancy). Restaurants could also give ou…
> People can carry their own set of utensils, and even their own food packaging; Carry this, carry your own reusable bags. But also get rid of the car which could hold these things for you. Why is there such a push to make life miserable for people?
In Japan there's no public trash cans. To my astonishment, I quickly adopted to planning my day around whether I'd need to carry trash around with me. It actually worked out fine. In this same way, adapting our lives to whether we'll be carrying around utensils or a tupperware is also fine. From my experience, it doesn't make life miserable.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
the actual source https://www.mamavation.com/beauty/toxic-pfas-dental-floss-to...
What on earth are you smoking, that is NOT the actual link. That is some woo-woo garbage page. Please check this thread again. The actual FA: https://www.ehn.org/pfas-floss-2658203711.html And the OP: https://cen.acs.org/environment/persistent-pollutants/Fast-f...
If you look at the actual FA, it cites the article from mamavation. That is literally the first link, in the FA.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think proof is the right word. It's impossible to prove something is safe.
Of course you can proof the safety of a chemical compound for human consumption (at least to the best of current technical abilities and within an acceptable margin of error). This is done for i.e. drugs thousands of times each year. Yes it costs money and time, but that is about the only serious objection. You could also go to a risk based model, where the burden of proof for groups of chemical compounds shifts base…
Scientists show the safety by searching diligently for unsafety and not finding it.
That's not proof. A ten year drug trial may fail to show problems that take 20 years to surface, but that doesn't mean the drug is safe.
I suspect a lot of these chemicals fall into that hard-to-find-problems category. Only when they are an overwhelming part of our environment for decades or even generations will we start to understand the effects.
So this is not just a matter of money. It's a hard problem.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
What on earth are you smoking, that is NOT the actual link. That is some woo-woo garbage page. Please check this thread again. The actual FA: https://www.ehn.org/pfas-floss-2658203711.html And the OP: https://cen.acs.org/environment/persistent-pollutants/Fast-f...
If you look at the actual FA, it cites the article from mamavation. That is literally the first link, in the FA.
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