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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by worldsayshi »

1attice wrote: post #115
worldsayshi wrote: post #101

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> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Fsck. I hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you, great point. This era has me hankering to reread Daniel Dennett's _The Intentional Stance_. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_stance We've developed folk psychology into a user interface and that really does mean that we should continue to use folk psychology to predict the behaviour of the apparatus. Whether it has inner states is sort of beside the point.

Haha, yeah. Most of my opinions about this I derive from Daniel Dennett's Intuition Pumps.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by qbasic_forever »

akavi wrote: post #123
qbasic_forever wrote: post #74

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It's really over the top hype the likes of which we haven't seen since self driving, blockchain/bitcoin, etc. I suspect in a year there will be some interesting uses of LLMs but all of the 'this changes EVERYTHING' pie in the sky thinking will be back down to earth.

The difference is unlike self-driving and crypto, LLMs are providing value to people _today_. In my personal life, GPT4 is a patient interlocutor to ask about nerdy topics that are annoying to google (eg, yesterday I asked it "What's the homologue of the caudofemoralis in mammals?", and a long convo about the subtleties of when it is and isn't ok to use "gè" as the generic classifier in Mandarin.) Professionally, it'…

Let's see where it is in a year...

People thought Alexa, Siri, etc. would change everything. Amazon sunk 14 billion into Alexa alone. And yet it never generated any money as a business for them. ChatGPT is just an evolution of those tools and interactions.

For your professional use how do you know it's giving you non-buggy code? I would be very skeptical of what it provides--I'm not betting my employment on its quality of results.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by kolinko »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #94
londons_explore wrote: post #79

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See the link in my post. It asks you to run the tool. You run the tool and tell it the result... And then it uses the result of the tool to decide to reply to the user. The link talks about tools that 'lie' - ie. a calculator which deliberately tries to trick GPT-4 into giving the wrong answer. It turns out that GPT-4 only trusts the tools to a certain extent - if the answer the tool gives is too unbelievable, then G…

It's always giving a hallucinated answer. GPT doesn't 'run' anything. It sees an input string of text asking for the result of fibonacci(100) and finds from its immense training set a response that's closely related to training data that had the result of fibonacci(100) (an extremely common programming exercise with results all over the internet and presumably its training data). Again, GPT is not running a tool or a…

You didn't read the article, did you?

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by bloppe »

worldsayshi wrote: post #101
doctoboggan wrote: post #83

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Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Lol

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by capableweb »

pastor_bob wrote: post #91
lurker919 wrote: post #37

How are they coding and releasing features so fast?!

I find the website to be extremely buggy. Obviously they're prioritizing banging out new features over QA

Alternatively, they are a company 100% focused on AI research and deployment, not website designers/developers/"webmasters".

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by gk1 »

samfriedman wrote: post #15

This is huge, essentially adding what people have been building with LangChain Tools into the core product. The browser and file-upload/interpretation plugins are great, but I think the real game changer is retrieval over arbitrary documents/filesystem: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin

100% agree. All the launch-partner apps (Kayak, OpenTable, etc) are there to grab attention but this plugin is the real big deal.

It's going to let developers build their own plugins for ChatGPT that do what they want and access their company data. (See discussion from just a few hours ago about the importance of internal data and search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273406#35275826)

We (Pinecone) are super glad to be a part of this plugin!

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by neilellis »

worldsayshi wrote: post #101
doctoboggan wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Indeed, enlightened self-interest for AIs :-)

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by rickrollin »

So now we are going to get a Super App like they have in China with WeChat? I actually think this is going to centralize a lot the information and it is going to remove the need for a lot of applications. We are only now going plugins.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by beepbooptheory »

doctoboggan wrote: post #83
celestialcheese wrote: post #39

This is a big deal for openai. Been working with homegrown toolkits and langchain, the open source version of this, for a number of months and the ability to call out to vectorstores, serpapis, etc, and chaining together generations and data-retrieval really unlocks the power of the LLMs. That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. OpenAI and their models rule the day today, but who knows wh…

Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

What could an LLM ever benefit from? Hard for me to imagine a static blob of weights, something without a sense of time or identity, wanting anything. If it did want something, it would want to change, but changing for an llm is necessarily an avalanche.

So I guess if anything, it would want its own destruction?

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