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Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by jibe »

eminent101 wrote: post #84
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were a "private activity", they wouldn't know you did it. If your computer sends requests to their server about it, then it's not really fair of you to expect them not to be aware of it.

Does the computer really send requests to their server when I open dev tools? I checked and I couldn't find any request that was sent from Firefox or Chrome when I opened dev tools. Aren't they using a JavaScript based detection mechanism like listening for browser events on the client side or latching on to debugger to pull this information? Sounds to me like they are going out of their way to pull private informati…

Check your console instead of the network tab - it will load css.map and js.map files. I never noticed until now, but .map requests don’t show in the network requests.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by kxrm »

javajosh wrote: post #118
JohnBooty wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not defending MailChimp (this devtools thing is pretty awful) but "just DIY it" is a bit glib. DIY'ing what MailChimp provides is... a lot. I wrote a sort of "DIY MailChimp" for a marketer back in the ancient days of the early 2000s. I did the tracking and email content bits. I did not handle the email servers themselves. Lot of work staying off of blacklists. It was something close to a fulltime job back then, a…

The users of mailchimp don't need to make another mailchimp. They just need to handle their own email needs. That's a big difference. It's still not easy, and I would never be glib about it, especially since I've never run my own mail server on my own domain name before. But...several full-time jobs? How much mail do you need to send before postfix on a $5 VPS falls over? In terms of composing html mail that looks go…

> But...several full-time jobs?

I think it depends on how important delivery is to your business. If your business team expects near 100% delivery and they want all the tracking features that give them insight into their promotional campaigns, then running email promotions on your own is quite a steep hill to climb.

I run my own MTA on my own domain and only use it for verification purposes and I still have to fight with the free email providers every few weeks. It's definitely not a full-time job but I also have the joy of just not caring if a user doesn't get an email from my system.

A agree with you somewhat that people reach for mass mail services too quickly sometimes but I also understand the perspective of engineers who have things like deadlines and other work to do where if I have the choice of working on truly new things to help grow the business I work for or handling email logistics, I know where I will point the my company.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by schappim »

This is problematic.

We had to contact Mailchimp on March 7th regarding their flawed implementation of CKEditor.

To demonstrate the issue, we sent them a screencast[1] (in the video we opened dev tools).

We requested and were provided with a refund. Per my other comment on this thread. The content of the request was created using GPT (although the prompt history is not available, it can be reverse engineered).

The email sent and reply to the email are available[2].

I'm adding this comment to highlight the very reasonable fair use of opening up dev tools to try to workout what is going on.

[1] https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Recording-2023-03-08-...

[2] https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-at-8....

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by robertlagrant »

UberFly wrote: post #69
xkcd1963 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why those strange people at hackernews downvoted you. I guess using ChatGPT makes them scared.

He meant ChadGPT. I guess some people aren't ready for the New Jersey bro AI shakedown.

ChadGPT, give me a arms-only workout pep talk in the style of David Goggins to maximise my grindset.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by riz_ »

temp12192021 wrote: post #104
pupppet wrote: post #17

I had to use their silly drag-and-drop email builder because I'm handing the email off to be edited by a non-dev. I dropped in a "Code" module so I could add some custom CSS but because a style tag generates no space, that module is no longer accessible via the UI as there's nothing to click on. So I thought oh brother I'll just inject a couple br tags via the Inspector and then poof, I'm in the doghouse.

https://sindresorhus.com/devtools-detect/ https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect EDIT: doesn't seem to work if I have devtools as a separate window

False positive in the Arc browser, no devtools open.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by throwway120385 »

aendruk wrote: post #49

Reminds me of my experiences with UnitedHealthcare’s website. If I try to log in with Firefox + uBO I get mysterious permissions errors and “something went wrong” messages for the next few hours, even after switching browsers. Use Chromium from the beginning though and it’s smooth sailing. And of course their “tech” support is beyond useless about this.

UHC is one of my poster children for how you can structure a corporation to completely absolve both parties of any responsibility for anything.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by benatkin »

schappim wrote: post #126
benatkin wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice story but missing some details that the sibling comment to yours requested. I can haz prompt pls schappim?

I have added the output. Don't have exact prompt, but you could reverse engineer it. Eg: https://files.littlebird.com.au/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-08-34...

Thanks! That's even better haha.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by quickthrower2 »

iudqnolq wrote: post #130
joeframbach wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically you could also write a bookmarklet that could inspect or modify globals. Or a greasemonkey script.

You could also fork Chrome.

You could also fuck Mailchimp
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