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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

i guess at the end of the day, people just want you to play the hits

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #50

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I have to admit, I tried and failed to switch away from Apple. I bought a Linux Laptop - an System 76. I was surprised at how terrible the battery management of linux was compared with my mac. And that particular issue broke me.

It requires lots of manual control but from my experience I can match or exceed battery life in comparison to running windows, with some tweaking. Out of the box it was terrible as well.

But if ou bought a Linux laptop, it should come preconfigured with the optimal settings, with at least one or two distros like Ubuntu and Fedora, plus the settings described in a manual.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

Seems overblown to me, been a macos user for over a decade and the ios-ification o f the mac hasn't been a big deal for me. My greybeard workflows still work the same (everything in iterm, using vim, tmux, all the "standard stuff"), sometimes updating xcode is a pain but w/e. Homebrew still chugging along. Parallels is fantastic. Performance of the M1 Max on my new mac studio is just heavenly. The changes to macos have been nowhere near as egregious as what MS is butchering windows with.

The latest update added "Stage Manager" or whatever, tried it out for an hour...didn't really like it and turned it off, it never gets in my way trying to force itself on my like Windows does with all of its anti-features.

People complain about system preferences but I use spotlight to find settings when I need them, which works great - and once a setting is set I rarely change it. I don't think I've touched the preferences "app" since I initially setup my mac studio. The moaning and groaning about how bad it is just seems so.....pointless to me.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #103

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The latest system preferences are an improvement to me. It was a mess before and it’s still a mess but the app layout makes it easier to browse, and at least it’s consistent with iOS.

Why does a desktop OS need to be consistent with a 5" touchscreen phone?

For the majority of the world, their primary computing device is their touchscreen phone.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

The latest system preferences are an improvement to me. It was a mess before and it’s still a mess but the app layout makes it easier to browse, and at least it’s consistent with iOS.

> and at least it’s consistent with iOS.

And thanks to this peculiar way of thinking we also have several layers of UI inconsistencies in Windows, for example. Someone thought "let's unify everything" but, assuming this is a good idea at all, you really need a lot of work, planning, effort, and most of all imagination to make sure the final result is actually an improvement for the users of both mobile and desktop systems rather than being a mediocre one-size-fits-all solution.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

Those are the first system preferences on macOS that are usable to me, and I'm not even a big iOS fan. The chaotic version before felt like Windows to me.

Say what you will about the new version, but the old version of System Preferences was certainly not "chaotic". I found it very pleasant to look at and navigate.

This new thing violates much of Apple's own HIG, and despite running Ventura for half a year, I still find myself hunting for things that should be easy to find. Quick: where do you go to turn the volume menubar control on or off?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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That's odd - I'd prefer the opposite tradeoff. Apple hardware is excellent but for me their software design choices are usually the problem. Even the much-lauded excellence in UX doesn't really hold up any more. But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook, put it in your bag and be secure in the knowledge it won't decide to switch on and probably cause permanent heat damage to itself. (looking at you windows...)

> But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook ... Macs have the same issue, but you can turn off the feature that causes it.

You can turn it off in Windows too, though it it takes a few minutes and requires some knowledge (or Googling).

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

I wonder if he is running Plan9 on all of his Raspberry Pi Computers. If you have 50 of them that would be really cool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#139

For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

You have to be blind to ignore the horrors that apple is inflicting slowly on its user base....death by a 100000 cuts

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #118

My main three asks for Ubuntu to replace my mac is - 1. Alternative to magnet or any window management systems that does not require elaborate tmux setup. 2. More adoption of snapstore and auto-updates. 3. Comparable performance and battery life to today's arm laptops.

At least for the first request, Pop OS is a fantastic replacement for the Mac. It the system 76 variant and is based on Ubuntu. I switched last year and have been blown away at how far desktop Linux has come

I use it full time for work and home. Chrome, VS Code and Steam all work flawlessly. It's also nice to be able to develop software in containers without needing any VM layer.

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