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What's the price comparison?
Ford has been rapidly raising their prices (so it’s hard to keep track) but last I saw starting prices were $73k for the Rivian and $56k for the Lightning.
The financials may not look good right now, but the vehicles are extremely good. They’re already way out in front of the EV truck segment, and the big automakers have a huge gap to make up to reach the same level of quality. I wouldn’t be surprised if they manage to turn this around and become profitable.
If you want a truck for looks, EV is nice enough. If you want a truck to haul stuff, EV is terrible . Put a trailer on your EV and they have basically no range at all. If you need a truck to haul stuff reasonable distances, EV isn't for you (at least not right now). If you want to save the world, then an electric car gets much better ranges with much smaller batteries and a fraction of the power usage. This leaves EV…
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If you want a truck for looks, EV is nice enough. If you want a truck to haul stuff, EV is terrible . Put a trailer on your EV and they have basically no range at all. If you need a truck to haul stuff reasonable distances, EV isn't for you (at least not right now). If you want to save the world, then an electric car gets much better ranges with much smaller batteries and a fraction of the power usage. This leaves EV…
This isn’t true. I hauled a 5 ton car trailer from San Francisco to the Black Rock Desert in Nevada last year and it was a breeze. 160 miles (the range with the trailer) is not “no range at all”, and the charging network, at least here, is dense enough to deal with it.
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Electricity is everywhere. Like. Everywhere. It’s only a matter of time before the charging network expands.
Electricity assuredly is NOT everywhere. There are large swaths of the US where you will be very far from a plug. Also, it takes an impractical amount of time to charge an EV pickup truck on anything other than a fast charger. We are not anywhere near where the infrastructure is ready for EV pickup trucks to be practical for a large number of people that currently need them. We may get there some day, but not for dec…
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Electricity assuredly is NOT everywhere. There are large swaths of the US where you will be very far from a plug. Also, it takes an impractical amount of time to charge an EV pickup truck on anything other than a fast charger. We are not anywhere near where the infrastructure is ready for EV pickup trucks to be practical for a large number of people that currently need them. We may get there some day, but not for dec…
220V 50 amps electricity is effectively everywhere. Those large swaths of the country with nothing in them are also places where there’s generally far less traffic.
Don't those sound like places you'd want to drive something like a pickup truck?
Also, the grid isn't ready for everyone to have electric vehicles using fast chargers. A heat wave takes down the grids of entire states.
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Toyota bet heavily on hydrogen. They are still convinced that is the future.
And after my experience with BEV, I am more likely to believe that hydrogen or synthetic fuels are future, than a battery joke.
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Is "cost" set at the original date of the agreement? Otherwise lowering cost wouldn't help. (or this is a joke I'm whiffing on...)
Currently the price is approximately equal to the cost, but presumably there's nothing in the contract with Amazon saying that if Rivian's costs go down then the price to amazon goes down.
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Lightly dented? Like I said, their lead means almost nothing. I don’t know what being loved really has to do with production. It won’t take long for a bunch of companies to have equally loved products, and in 30 years, Tesla’s “lead” will be a footnote. Unless they do, future tense, wreck everybody. It’s a weird response to to my claim that everything but the product matters just as much, if not more. I’m not at all…
I guess I could agree to disagree? For the market as a whole maybe it is dented. But that quarter panel that got dented is straight wrecked. Nobody likes car dealerships anyway so nobody misses that. The new trend amongst the kids these days is buying cars without even test driving them. My point is that Rivian could easily find a crack that would allow them to be profitable and it wouldn’t even need to be as big as…
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Public transportation is a luxury. It assumes that you can live in a dense area and that your travel needs coincide with bus/train routes. It's very practical for many, and very impractical for many too.
You must be American. In fact, insane car and highway infrastructure is actually a luxury. Funny how roads just magically spring up everywhere and they are 'required to live' but god forbid a bus that uses that road, that is luxury. Public subsidy of car infrastructure is far higher then for public transport. > coincide with bus/train routes There is this thing called planning. They put public transport where it is a…
> But lets be fucking real
My friends in Germany complain about how taking public transportation to work takes 2 hours, or 30 minutes by car.
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And after my experience with BEV, I am more likely to believe that hydrogen or synthetic fuels are future, than a battery joke.
Give BEV 10 or 20 years and it will be as good as ICE.