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Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by Gigachad »

mulmen wrote: post #93
HideousKojima wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the elderly, this is why: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/p... I'd much rather Grandma have to learn to do something slightly differently than to hear about how Grandma had her bank account information stolen by some JavaScript malware. For those with genuine use cases (I.e. ancient software that doesn't even work with the compatibility shims) I agree that there should be some way to ru…

> I'd much rather Grandma have to learn to do something slightly differently This attitude is responsible for more harm than any other single idea in software development. Do not break your users. You think you have a choice here but what really happens is Grandma stays on old software forever because the beatings have taught her to never update anything. And the really sad part is that she's right.

Grandma just buys the iPad because it just works and stays up to date without risk of malware while Windows is left a rotting mess of garbage because they are too afraid to change anything.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by Gigachad »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #9
bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

That's really on your bank for insisting on using technology which has been sunset for many many years though. I would contact them and tell them you're considering switching. If they're anything like the banks in North America they'll be freaking out trying to give you deals to stay. They did this for me when I told them that I would switch over trying to force SMS-based 2fa on me. I'm really not sure about the econ…

Yeah, MS have a 10 year window to migrate. If you found yourself at the end of 10 years still not migrated, then you’ll only do it when it breaks.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by Gigachad »

yourusername wrote: post #39
bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

This change has been announced long ago. IT should have identified this issue and taken the steps to enable IE mode on Edge for this specific site a year ago.

MS announced you shouldn’t be using IE several years ago.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by morpheos137 »

asdff wrote: post #102
horsawlarway wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very strange comment. Personally... I absolutely understand exactly how they ended up in this situation. There are actually several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS, the top two easily understood ones are... --- 1. They've put a lot of work into the browser, and they've shared many components of it with other tooling. EX: Internet EXPLORER and EXPLORER the file system browser don't share their…

Microsoft only cares about legacy support if it means the vast majority of customers. I will give you an example: go to a top tier research institution for biology, and sort your cells with the fluorescence-activated cell sorter (FACS). You might have to now burn that data onto a cd rom, because the software running the six figure instrument was written in 2002 for windows XP, and for reasons only known to microsoft,…

Sounds like the writer of the software is equally at fault, and the sysadmin could have been more creative.

I see no reason why the data collection can't be managed by a highly portable console app running inside a VM or dos emulator or the legacy PC can't be kept behind a firewall that only lets data out.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by Lapsa »

horsawlarway wrote: post #60
nimbius wrote: post #45

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>and replace them with compatibility shims christ can you imagine the raw hubris in 1995 to roll this out and inexplicably make it not only uninstallable by the user, but a core and critical functionality of your entire OS such that any attempt to sidestep or evade it would be met with ruination? Its so bombastic the US Justice department hauls your pepsi sipping CEO in for a round of slouching, hand-waving antitrust…

This is a very strange comment. Personally... I absolutely understand exactly how they ended up in this situation. There are actually several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS, the top two easily understood ones are... --- 1. They've put a lot of work into the browser, and they've shared many components of it with other tooling. EX: Internet EXPLORER and EXPLORER the file system browser don't share their…

that's one thing I genuinely admire Microsoft for - the effort they put into maintenance

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by testTED »

Gigachad wrote: post #130
testTED wrote: post #124

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Google* Android

Android always has a browser you can’t remove. It’s just not always chrome.

The OS needs a browser engine for its WebView, which many apps etc rely on.

On non Google Android releases these can pretty easily be swapped.

Possibly on Google Android as well.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by ashwagary »

bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

Perhaps a virtual machine running windows with the compatible version of IE just for this purpose would be a good option. Take snapshots after it's setup correctly so any sneaky update shenanigans MS pulls can be reverted.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by bunbun69 »

bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

Microsoft retains the right to break your process without your permission.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by jeroenhd »

Maursault wrote: post #31

In 1998, Microsoft asserts that their browser was an inherent component of the operating system and could not be extracted. In 2020, Microsoft miraculously defies the impossible! What can't Microsoft do?

Windows Explorer was based on IE. It's quite obvious how tight the integration was.

And it was a good idea, to be honest. They've done plenty of anticompetitive shit, but the IE integration into Windows has only ever improved Windows.

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