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It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.
I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.
The regular, included autopilot works pretty well as a smarter cruise control; as long as you use it on a major highway in the daytime in good conditions it does a good job. And it's very useful in stop-and-go traffic on the highway.
But the FSD is crap.
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The "self driving" tech that works (e.g. auto braking) is deployed and has saved lives. (Self driving in quotes because it is not really the full promise of self driving.) This Tesla AI does not work well enough in many conditions and is clearly sometimes more dangerous than humans. Just watch videos of people using it - it's obvious that is making unforgivable errors.
Do you have evidence for "clearly more dangerous"? Because what numbers exist say the opposite. They are now pushing a million (!) of these vehicles on US roads and to my knowledge the bay bridge accident[1] is the only example of a significant at fault accident involving the technology. It's very easy to make pronouncements like "one accident is too many", but we all know that's not correct in context. Right? If FSD…
- A Tesla near that drive into the median divider near Sunnyvale on Highway 101, because it thought the gore point was an extra lane. Split the car in half and killed the driver. [1]
- A Tesla that autonomously ran a red light and killed two people. [2]
- Multiple accidents where Teslas have driven into parked emergency vehicles / semi trucks.
Is it quantitatively safer than human drivers? I don't have that data to say one way or the other. But it's not correct to say the Bay Bridge is the only at fault accident attributable to autopilot.
[1]: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/apple-engineer-killed-in-ba...
[2]: https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/21/felony-charges-are-1s...
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That other drivers are beta testers for software controlling a large mass of metal and combustibles hurtling down asphalt at _ludicrous_ speeds is something you'd write into a dystopia story. The fact of the fiction is terrifying.
It’s a choice, you are in control all the time.
Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?
Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…
Makes me think karpathys "bet" on vision being the only sensor was maybe misguided
Even a fruit-fly class AGI would do it.
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I would be glad it was out there if it was aggressively marketed as a drivers assistant feature, not as a self-driving capability.
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That other drivers are beta testers for software controlling a large mass of metal and combustibles hurtling down asphalt at _ludicrous_ speeds is something you'd write into a dystopia story. The fact of the fiction is terrifying.
It’s a choice, you are in control all the time.
Note that this recall just means that there's a regulator-mandated patch, not that FSD is being removed.