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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US companies make money from stories about Chinese weather balloons. They lose money when horrific things like this happen. The carrier will lose money. But a news company would make money, wouldn't they? Bad news is good news after all, and environmental disasters are bad news.

Trains derail all the time. It’s dog bites man, not man bites dog.

It isn't always "Chernobyl in Ohio", as locals are calling it. Although, that is becoming more common. If only the rail industry were regulated... maybe we need to dig up Teddy Roosevelt?

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

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Honest question: how many Norfolk Southern ads have you seen? Even just a ballpark number.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Here's some data from the federal EPA (what they're measuring and where and what the numbers are), https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=1593... ( "East Palestine Train Derailment" )

This is too confusing for me to parse:

https://response.epa.gov/sites/15933/files/East%20Palestine%...

Why is almost every number in sample column #2 and #3 exactly 100 times greater than in column #1? Aren't they all [μg/L]?

There's a section on page 3 ("petroleum products") that's labelled as being both μg/L and mg/L.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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This is going to sound exceptionally crass…

But as somebody who’s from the outright poorest part of Ohio, with generations of coal workers in the family… I’m sitting here, in the West Coast sun, laughing about this. I’ve also spent significant amounts of time in the general region of this disaster

It’s awful. The situation is absolutely awful, that town & everything in a radius around it is genuinely fucked, and from what I’ve heard but not completely personally confirmed, it’s already contaminating downstream into the Ohio river.

But. I don’t know what to say. Other than… these people have been voting against their best interests. Their entire damn lives. How can you possibly have any wake-up call for a populace so deep into hatred & corporate bootlicking. There is none. That generation simply has to die out, and I very truly hope that most of their children are able to make it out to greener pastures & receive some form of education that may lead them to stop voting for the absolute sociopaths that peddle policies making large-scale environmental disasters a possibility.

I unfortunately have the personal experience of knowing not very many people get the opportunities to GTFO this area into greener pastures. I don’t know what to feel other than deep & genuine sadness - there’s absolutely nothing I can do to help the fact, & now that I’m a couple thousand miles away, I just delusionally hope that things are getting better while I’m gone.

But, again. I do not know what to say. For decades, so many of these people have voted for those that pass laws to make corporations not even slightly accountable & strike down reforms aiming to regulate these industries - regulate so that they’re forced to take up safety measures so shit like this cannot happen

Spewing outright hatred & death threats to their fellow countrymen who try to tell them there may be a path to a better life, the ability to make meaningful change.

They got what was coming to them. I don’t know how many this catastrophe will wake up to the fact they’ve been swindled all this time, that the political party they’ve sworn their lives to have already sold their souls for pennies on the dollar, so long ago.

Some of them, a few I’ve already personally seen, will have the realization. But it’s far too late. The damage is done, and they will die before they ever see a better community - politicians that care for their well being. I can only hope they have the humility to tell the younger people they know that they were dead wrong, & that the politicians they’ve been voting for as long as they’ve been able have sold out their entire livelihoods for the most meager amounts of $USD

Appalachia is such an unfortunate place - so beautiful, but abandoned by modern first world society. (okay, northern ohio is technically slightly out of Appalachia proper - GOMD)

/endddrunkrant

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it about? Is it about trying to construct an incoherent false narrative that it is being covered up?

No, it's about the story itself. If you see a news title reading "This happened there and you haven't heard about it" but you have actually heard about it, just move on. What's the point of saying "I have actually heard about it?".

No, the article is trying to construct the narrative that people haven't heard about the train derailment. That claim is in the article's headline. That claim is in article's the first paragraph. And that claim is false.

The truth is it's received domestic media coverage and it's even received international media coverage. It's pointless to claim otherwise.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat.

The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the chemicals that is produced by burning this delicious cocktail is Phosgene Gas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene ) which among its numerous delightful uses is a nerve agent

No, not a nerve agent. It was used as a "poison gas" in World War I, but it's not a "nerve gas". It will still kill you very effectively, but not by poisoning your nerves.

Ah, got it. Still certainly not something you want to be throwing into the air above towns.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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> Yesterday, DeWine added it’s “very understandable” that residents might want their homes tested before reentering. The state says Norfolk Southern must pay for the cleanup costs, and that “the burden is upon them to assure the public that what they do everyday is safe.” What a shitty thing to say given that the public has no direct way to deny them what they do if they don't deem it safe.

"Investigations are expensive and we will not show them the slightest mercy in asking the suspect to run their own."

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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I got to know, do the pro nuclear crowd really want to live down wind of a nuclear power plant when they will be run by the same business processes and deregulation that lead to this disaster, Fukushima, the BP oil rig disaster, etc?

I got to know, do the pro coal crowd really want to live down wind of a coal power plant when they will be run by the same business processes and deregulation that lead to this disaster, Fukushima, the BP oil rig disaster, etc?
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