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WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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What's fascinating about this isn't the study itself - it's the reactions people here are having. From "I guess that means fruit juice should be illegal since it can contain alcohol!" to "Life leads to death too!". Just any justification to call the WHO's point bunk. Denial, in a word. This is the world's leading body on science health giving a result that I'm guessing most of us don't want to hear. Because we like a…

> Denial, in a word.

I think it's more like: yeah, we know, but people are able of being responsible too.

So don't assume that living a week more in a lifetime should be a goal, I assume these studies are published to get some funding for the team who publish them, not because they are useful for the public debate.

Because they are not.

Alcohol is much less dangerous than the car tyres, moderate alcohol consumption is also associated in many studies to health benefits, just like drugs are not good for your health but without them the chances of dying of common disease increase two fold, so they're not as bad as they look.

Maybe people should care about important stuff, not the sensationalistic stuff.

Meanwhile:

The car tyre particles pollute air, water and soil and contain a wide range of toxic organic compounds, including known carcinogens, the analysts say, suggesting tyre pollution could rapidly become a major issue for regulators. Air pollution causes millions of early deaths a year globally

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cinnamon may be - don't know. i was talking about browned/burnt toast, in which several carcinogens have been identified, as they are in just about everything, if you look hard enough.

Apparently, this is a myth: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

not entirely, just not too well researched; https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I understand that the statement "only no alcohol is really safe" is correct. But it is not helpful in my everyday life. Exactly the same problem exists with gasoline. It is simply not possible (or extremely costly) to completely avoid the substance or their effects. To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront that I would like to weigh against the risk of cancer. In fact, I have found information on the question: The d…

> To refuse a beer in Germany is an affront

I don't think that stereotypes add anything to any discussion.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, this is a myth: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

not entirely, just not too well researched; https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...

Your own link says:

> However, a large number of epidemiologic studies (both case-control and cohort studies) in humans have found no consistent evidence that dietary acrylamide exposure is associated with the risk of any type of cancer (9, 14).

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#136
post #30

Drinking alcohol is Lindy.

So is the strategy of dying early due to alcohol consumption.

actually people who drink moderately live longer.

Epidemiological studies indicate that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers.

https://www.med.unc.edu/alcohol/education-prevention/alcohol...

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #10

Saving you a click: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-...

And this is the Lancet article summarising the research: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2... The proportion of cancers attributable to alcohol is 4.1% of all cases, from [1]. Of that, the ‘Light to Moderate’ alcohol category ( 1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2...

That statement/summary was published after another large scale study was published in the same journal. IIRC that Lancet study is also kind of complex in that the harms are different with age. So before 40 years or so, the risk of alcohol is due to things like car accidents, falls, fights, etc, and after age 40 it's things like cancer etc.

I think they even see the protective effect of light drinking on things like cardio outcomes in younger individuals, it's just outweighed by accidents etc.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt though because this is based on recent memory of from reading it before.

But if so, I think it changes the nature of the message a bit — although it's literally true there is no safe level of alcohol consumption in a population mortality risk sense, what that means is sort of complex and age-dependent, and might be something you can counteract, or might not.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many of those car accidents are related to alcohol consumption?

It's the same all over the World, the majority of car accidents happen during daylight, caused by drivers' distractions, AKA smartphones nowadays. So WHO should publish a paper where it says "no amount of smartphone usage is safe for your health, you better drink a beer after a walk in the woods"

I guess I could agree with that.

Sent from my iPhone.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 bottles of wine per week is already quite a bit. If you are a couple, you pop a bottle more than every second day.

What matters is obviously per person... So "if you are a couple" is completely irrelevant. Terms like 'light', 'moderate' or 'heavy' drinking are relative and must be taken in context. For instance, historically it has been customary in many countries to drink wine with every meal. So 2 bottles per week is indeed moderate as it's about 1-2 glasses per meal. Likewise, 3.5l a beer per week is one beer at dinner, which…

For the context, I am French, living in Germany. As a tradition (but maybe I am old) you never drink wine alone. This is why my remark "as couple" because it is the minimal number of people you need to drink. But again, this is my education, so very personal.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #85

This needs a true cost-benefit analysis. Thats what we do for any type of medical intervention. Some surgeries are super risky and some drugs have severe side effects that can kill you. Still, the overall benefit is positive. Benefits: reduced stress, increased social interactions, improved mood Costs: reduced lifespan, liver issues, addiction I’ll bet the benefits outway the costs over an entire population. Maybe no…

> reduced lifespan

said it before, this one is not true.

Epidemiological studies indicate that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers.

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