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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by Kukumber »

joshuaissac wrote: post #109
Kukumber wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter was heavily used to seek help by people in turmoil, even hundreds of people were posting from under the rubbles. The officials were claiming that everything was under control and they are helping everyone but people were posting videos showing the situation on the ground and the situation didn't look even close to being under control. Social media is the first target no matter the country The US do the exac…

> wich btw gives flashbacks of the failed coup by the mossad Turkey has not even accused Mossad of being involved in the failed coup d'etat.

The wiki mentions the CIA, but their investigations found links to groups helped by both the mossad and the CIA, i'll try to find the link for the investigation, i'll edit the post once i find it

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by Darmody »

seydor wrote: post #117
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #111

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Yet. People voted for that. Same for Chavez. Same for maduro. The collective can make wrong decisions that doesnt take away from the fact that the laws and its people are sovereign over its territory.

Erdogan is not simply a populist and nationalist who also uses religion (even though he s a typical opportunist and definitely not a pious person). He also imprisons the opposition, silences media etc. This is typically called a dictator. The 'collective' did not make any of those decisions , he did

Just to elaborate a bit further.

The current mayor of Istanbul is the politician who could win the next presidential election and he's been sentenced to a few years in prison and banned him from politics because he "insulted some elected officials". His crime was actually calling a few people clowns when they recalled for a runoff of the elections he won. He then won the runoff with a wider margin and now has to be taken down somehow.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by can16358p »

remind_me_again wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #24

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When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

It's a very subjective judgement and everyone is entitled his or her own opinion. But that one is very biased. As far as elections concerned Turkish election system is very solid as a process and implementation is solid. In the end Erdogan lost Istanbul in the last elections even after that election repeated for only Istanbul, and worse for Erdogan, the second round was much more decisive. People didn't like the elec…

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by blagie »

nextaccountic wrote: post #113
blagie wrote: post #90

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Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

In some years, this will become a non-issue

It will become a non-issue once all keyboards have a "ü" button. :)

Which might not actually be that long.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by diimdeep »

Understandable. Turkey ruling elites protecting country from possible chaos and hysteria amplified by social media. Twitter is still US based company and if asked would not turn back on US national security interests. As history shows, US tactic is to destabilize countries and make them weak, there is no better tool than social media platform like Twitter. To use Twitter right now and to take advantage of this horrible natural disaster and try to destabilize the country, is probably the easiest and best intelligence serviceman from Washington can do. This is just theory.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by anticensor »

saiya-jin wrote: post #71
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #18

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There is a difference between war and executive priviledges. The former (Russia) unilaterally imposed a decision (war) on another government and its people. The latter (erdogan) is acting in his capacity as the elected representative of the people. Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

Whats the difference between Starlink and say all satellite TV networks available anywhere, to anybody with antenna pointing up? What can he do, sue an American company for allowing freedom of speech? Musk can safely ignore that, and Turkey would need his empire more than Musk Turkey (to be clear I can imagine erdogan strongarming US government due to Nato bases but he would be showing off some nasty side of himself)…

Starlink satellites, unlike television satellites, perform active packet switching, not mere beam steering.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by wmeredith »

m0guz wrote: post #50

Insane. Developers are trying to make the best use of Twitter. * https://huggingface.co/deprem-ml * https://deprem.io * https://deprem.basarsoft.com.tr * https://go.ahb.app/guvenliharita * https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1QpICWDVpd3eIScSvaj... * https://depremenkaz.xyz Almost all the info listed on these websites coming from twitter.

This is a tragedy, and it's great that people are trying to help in any way they can. However, building stuff on Twitter's platform seems like utter folly these days.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by wgjordan »

rayiner wrote: post #24
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

For one nonpartisan quantitative analysis, Freedom House gave Turkey a 32/100 ("not free") score on its 2022 global freedom scale [1].

[1] https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey/freedom-world/2022

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by newaccount2021 »

golergka wrote: post #39
mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Exactly! In the US we routinely have "blessed" media organizations openly discussing the need to legislate/limit threats to their ability to "control the message"...but Erdogan cuts to the chase and everyone flips out.

I mean...the day Musk took over Twitter, lots of comments here were calling for twitter.com to be kicked off the internet...

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by mc32 »

coffeeblack wrote: post #67

Just like in China with the anti-lockdown protests. The people who are recognisable on social media posts from the protests have all been arrested by now. They waited just long enough to make people forget about it before they picked them up one by one.

Not to defend China, as the scale and the penalties are not comparable, however, some western governments also took a relatively hard stance against some anti-lockdown protests and we're learning government was involved in muting dissenting opinions on social media which in some western countries crosses the line into censorship.

The government had embeds in social media orgs. Just imagine if during the Johnson or Nixon admins the gov/FBI/etc had actual "embeds" in the WashPo/NYT, etc. It's one thing for say Bezos to sympathize with Biden, or Elon sympathize with Rand, but it's another for the gov to had employees embedded and offering their take on things in the guise of "protecting the public from misinformation"

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