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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Not really. Youth tend to gravitate toward counter-culture naturally as a form of rebellion against their parents growing up. Having kids going toward traditional values is exactly what this society needs to begin the healing process.

Genuine question from a gay person in a conservative country: What sort of healing would traditional values do? Is it the nuclear family sort of thing? I'm not familiar with those theories.

They are values which promote the functioning of a healthy and balanced society with people less inclined and/or enthusiastically supported for being inherently self-centered and self-destructive. Endless drug epidemics are a very prominent and visual symptom of the damage rampant degeneracy has inflicted upon society and that in general, things as they are currently are NOT alright.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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My bank decorates rainbow ATMs during pride month. A block away from my house my local council has created a rainbow street crossing. I don’t think it’s possible to get more mainstream than that.

It literally has corporate sponsorship by every Fortune 500 company. Hell most of them won’t even acknowledge Christmas anymore.

I mentioned this in other comments, but the actual edgy counterculture these days is the tradcath types. They have all the funny memes, they make the media angry, Karens despise them – reminds me a lot of the hippies.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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The medium is the message dudes. At this point in history, what will qualify a true counterculture is NOT BEING ONLINE. Whatever the true counterculture will be, it won’t be subject to the Internet and its all-seeing eye. It won’t be made out of memes and flame wars. No matter what the political bent, we’re all very much a captive audience online. “Master’s house/master’s tools” and all that.

"medium is the message"

That brought back grad school memories. The Internet is an excellent example of this. We're watching -- in real-time -- the medium challenge society (at all levels and across boundaries).

The Internet is still an infant; yet look at its impact.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

Not to mention redpill, mgtow, incel etc. Counter culture aren't always rainbows and flowers.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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The moment in which techies realize that they became the mainstream, and counterculture is elsewhere.

In the present moment, the counterculture is always hard to find and identify. That's what makes it the counterculture. Now you can read and listen to the Beat poets anywhere, but that would have been challenging in the early '50s. You had to go to the right coffee shop on the right night and if you went and saw what was going on you might question if these were geniuses pushing the frontiers of expression or a bunch…

The hippies were the counterculture, weren't they? Yet they weren't hard to find or identify. I guess it can get muddy, but what you're describing sounds more like underground culture to me. It can be happily compatible with the mainstream culture, it's not oppositional, it's just obscure and hidden because of it.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Taking established media and making it a LGBT story is has been pretty much mainstream for long time. We live in a world where all major corporations put rainbows on their logos for a month every year, just to meet the expectations of general audience.

When did the audience ever want that? Its rather a movement that companies just ran with, and audience tolerated or ignored.

If corporations don’t play along they certainly get punished for it. The audience expects them to be onboard or else.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I’ve been wondering for a few years… was Big Bang Theory the instigator or the indicator?

indicator Same with 'The silicon valley'. When something becomes a movie, it's already ending its hype cycle

Oh that's a great example too. Big Bang was more about the hollywood nerd, but Silicon Valley is a great example of peak hollywood hacker.

Why is it taking till the 2020's for it to be so obvious though?

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

I don't think that what you described counts as counterculture in what the people in general understand as the "societal" meaning of the term. All societies in all epochs had their share of people living off of the grid or in hedonistic and socially repproachable ways.

A counterculture is a set of social norms that clash with the establishment to the point of generating a credible threat of replacing it and creating a new cultural reality. LGBTQIA people living in warehouses and doing orgies is not a common way of living for sure, but it sounds more like a bout of isolated risky behaviour than a new cultural norm.

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