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Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Dont show this to the nofap community

When I'm in the mood of reading a bunch of smug nerds pontificating and preaching, I click on any popsci or diet-related article on HN. Never fails to entertain. Nofap like many things has been turned into a brand, and even politicised to the point some idiots attack it saying it's far right ideology. On the other hand there are teenagers with serious porn-related issues that think nofap will turn them into superhuma…

It's not far-right, it's just religious folks. I grew up in the church, and while I didn't take it seriously, many of my friends in our religious school did. We were made to believe that masturbation was really not good for you, and neither was pornography, which might seem reasonable to some folks. However, when you step back and see humans as just some primates that learned math, well it seems kind of ridiculous to expect adolescent boys full of testosterone to not masturbate regularly, and consume pornography.

Dealing with that cognitive dissonance is extremely difficult for some, and seeking a place where not engaging in it is "cool." It's a place for the group to exist with in-group loyalty and mutual reassurance. I feel bad for the folks in nofap, but religious folks will always be with us.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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It is truly tiring to see all these "linked" articles. It might be interesting but without some more research it is useless and just messes up with 99.9% of population who will read it and wrongly assume sexual activity prevents cancer. I am currently on a big spree trying to fix my diet and sift true information from all those wrong inferences. Turns out, almost everything I have been told and red is a lie based on…

What are your current diet assumptions? From what I heard, the best way to stay healthy is to follow mediterranean and DASH diets.

I am currently "researching", learning all this stuff. So I guess take it with lots of caution?

Since you asked, this is headlines of most of what I figured out:

* Your main goals should be achieving metabolic flexibility, eliminating most of the "bad" stuff (sugars, processed oils, most carbs, etc.), supplying your body with mitochondrial decouplers daily and doing low level aerobic exercise, consistently.

* If you feel hungry at any time you are doing something wrong.

* If you feel cold due to lower basal metabolic rate at any time you are doing something wrong (most likely restricting calories in an improper way).

* Metabolic flexibility means you can can easily get into and out of fasting. You are not driven by hunger and can easily continue your life (work, exercise, etc.) with or without meals, without detriment. This is typically achieved by periods of ample food as well as periods of fasting (calorie restriction is not fasting). On a daily basis you can restrict your eating window to 4-6 hours. On longer scale it is useful to do periodic changes to your diet (for example intermittent fasting with restricted carbs and calories for 2 months, then follow with 2 weeks of higher calories and carbs).

* Bad stuff are sugars and almost everything that is highly processed, refined, enriched, etc. Meat from unhealthy, stressed animals. Getting rid of all or almost all carbs is desirable as long as some carbs are in the diet from time to time to exercise your insulin.

* Mitochondrial decouplers are substances that cause your mitochondria to waste energy. Wasted energy is heat. For example (I think...) by supplying myself with mitochondrial decouplers I have shifted my temperature comfort level by about 5C. I can now walk, run, sleep, work at about 5C lower that I did before at the same comfort level. What are mitochondrial decouplers -- polyphenols, medium chain triglycerides, caffeine, ketone bodies, etc.

* Low intensity training (I started running about 30 minutes daily at conversational pace) causes your body to develop more mitochondria. More mitochondria present better opportunity for the body to waste heat as well as host of other useful adaptations. You don't have to be running -- taking a brisk walk after your last meal of the day is a fantastic way of getting some activity as well as efficiently clearing blood sugar and improving effective insulin sensitivity (insulin sensitivity is your ability to clear blood sugars, exercise does not improve insulin sensitivity directly but helps clear the sugar making it as if insulin was more effective).

* Exposing body to cold. You don't need to start getting cold therapies -- if you live in colder climate like me it is enough to just not avoid cold at all cost. I am running daily regardless of weather and I am wearing clothes just enough to get mostly comfortable after say 15 minutes of running in -2C but maybe a little cold at the start.

* Consistently good night of sleep is a must.

* High stress can cause blood sugar and insulin resistance. Body reacts to stress by releasing sugar (to prepare you for effort). But chronic stress causes chronic blood sugar causes chronic insulin causes you getting fat and unhealthy.

* Carbs cause insulin (duh) which causes:

** fat in your fat stores being unavailable to your body as an energy resource,

** when the fat stored in your body is unavailable to your body you will be hungry even in the presence of hundreds of thousands of calories on you (which is crazy if you think about it),

** your brain is built to seek more carbs when you get hungry.

* Fats don't make you fat. People on keto diets quit keto when they finish losing weight because they find they are unable to eat so many calories as fats and they consistently undereat or change their diets unwittingly.

* If you have to eat carbs, make effort to reduce their impact. Never eat "naked" carbs -- preceding carbs with fats and/or protein can significantly lower glycemic index. Preceding fats with acids deactivates enzymes in your saliva that cause about 40% of carb digestion in your stomach -- effectively lowering glycemic index (sushi has only 40% of glycemic index of same portion of plain rice -- due to rice vinegar added to the sushi rice). Taking a walk right after carb meal helps body clear blood sugar faster (for example 20 minute brisk walk right after a meal can shorten aftereffects of the meal from 5 to 3 hours).

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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> Even so, the apparent protection extended to all age groups. In all, men who averaged 4.6–7 ejaculations a week were 36% less likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer before the age of 70 than men who ejaculated less than 2.3 times a week on average. Sure, they use "apparent" as a weasel-word but "protection" is clearly suggesting causation.

Unless you've discovered some secret research that you're not sharing, a 31% decrease in incidence is certainly enough of an excuse to speculate about a possible protective effect.

Which way does causation go? Maybe we need to measure it and treat low frequency men for cancer?

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Wouldn’t be the first time a self-pleasuring tool was widely regarded as a wondrous medical device … there was one that treated a catch—all disease called “hysteria” in the other half of the human population: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ Let’s not forget the kids before puberty. Today’s “hysteria” is alive and well — it’s called ADHD and it involves overdiagnosing rambunctiousness and pres…

Spoken like someone who doesn't know anyone who has ADHD, e.g., someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Also, your little rant is completely off topic.

Spoken like someone who would have said the same about hysteria for hundreds of years. (And would have been considered very wrong given what we know today). Societal factors upstream matter a great deal, and medical inteventions downstream are usually revealed to be a bandaid.

According to the CDC, roughly 9.5% of children in the USA have been diagnosed with ADHD, whereas research based in Europe shows that between 3.5% and 5.6% of children in France have been diagnosed with ADHD. Why do you think that is? There has to be a non-medical explanation, don’t you think?

Same goes with the massive rise in diabetes and obesity in the USA, they engineer high fructose corn syrup into many things, people eat lots of things that turn into sugars, insulin resistance is high, but funny that so little of the industry discusses prevention of diabetes and obesity, they simply treat it as a fait accompli — including in kids, once again a new phenomenon. (In fact it has been shown to have a lot of comorbidities with coronavirus complications — but one is a national emergency, the other is not).

I have seen the same kind of reponses on HN when it came to depression and skepticism that SSRIs are the solution. Until all the studies came out last year, any skepticism was met with “you have no idea what real clinical depression is like. It is primarily caused by a chemical imbalance, needs medical intervention and you know nothing! So please don’t participate in the conversation, let the dominant ideology be the only acceptable one.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2022...

Don’t get me wrong — there are real medical cases in kids of ADHD, gender dysphoria, etc. Or depression in adults, or genetically based insultin resistance. But the fact that it is diagnosed now way more than before means that maybe - just maybe - societal and dietary factors play a huge role. This has to deal with human happiness after all. And that includes people on HN.

Whether self-pleasuring with a hand, or with a vibrating device, the societal factors (of hookup culture, or of cost of rent in cities to own your own place and delay marriage, or everyone getting married later because women now want to focus on their career, while gender age gaps remain similar) matter and should be systematically explored. This article or the nofap movement or women's tacit use of vibrating devices, are all quiet ways to cope with many societal structural changes.

The fact that you think it is off-topic to discuss major societal issues upstream of a phenomenon just goes to show how myopic our culture's approach is to these issues.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Wouldn’t be the first time a self-pleasuring tool was widely regarded as a wondrous medical device … there was one that treated a catch—all disease called “hysteria” in the other half of the human population: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ Let’s not forget the kids before puberty. Today’s “hysteria” is alive and well — it’s called ADHD and it involves overdiagnosing rambunctiousness and pres…

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Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump up those numbers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CES1OIkFhg4

I’m probs a coomer because I’d average 80/ month.

My numbers are between 28-31 times a month, depending on the month.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

#139
post #116

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It is truly tiring to see all these "linked" articles. It might be interesting but without some more research it is useless and just messes up with 99.9% of population who will read it and wrongly assume sexual activity prevents cancer. I am currently on a big spree trying to fix my diet and sift true information from all those wrong inferences. Turns out, almost everything I have been told and red is a lie based on…

> wrongly assume sexual activity prevents cancer What is the potential danger here? I’m not aware of any links to adverse heath for men ejaculate 21 times or more a month. Are you? Seems low risk for something that will potentially give you a 31% decreased chance to get prostate cancer. >Lifetime of avoiding fat… That’s too bad. Low fat diets have been debunked for at least 20 years. They were pushed by companies tha…

> What is the potential danger here?

People wasting other peoples time by giving advice that does nothing. Averting focus from things that are productive. Drowning useful information in information that may not necessarily be bad for you but isn't beneficial either.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

#140
post #41
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The quote at the end confuses me: > In 1807 William Wordsworth wrote, "The child is father of the man." With respect to prostate cancer, though, sexual activity in adolescence may be a predictor of risk in adulthood. Wouldn't adolescent sexual activity be the form-determining-factor (aka "father") of the prostate cancer risk statistical profile in adulthood? How is this different from the last sentence being analogou…

I had the same thought, and I think this is just a lack of good editing before publication.

Between that and the repeated paragraph about the Australian study, this is a rather sloppily written article.
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