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Re: Orion Browser

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Post by commoner »

imwillofficial wrote: post #108
commoner wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A piece of software will always be more trustworthy when it is free and open source than when it is closed source. A web browser interacts with so many servers that it would be very difficult to screen for all of the possible ways it could leak information to third parties if it were malicious. A FOSS browser has no such concerns since the code can be checked for malicious behavior. Any telemetry in FOSS can be eithe…

> A piece of software will always be more trustworthy when it is free and open source than when it is closed source. Totally disagree. Unless you are reviewing the software yourself (like not), you’re just hoping that somebody else reviewed it and they are competent, and that any vulns are reported and fixed. That’s a lot of trust ok a system that may or may not work as intended. Might as well be closed source at tha…

> Unless you are reviewing the software yourself (like not)

If you're assuming this about me, then you're wrong. I frequently review source code for FOSS I use, especially the parts that I submit issues and pull requests for.

I also know that others are reviewing the source code, since they are submitting issues (that reference portions of the code) and pull requests, too.

> Might as well be closed source at that point.

No, if a piece of software ever behaved suspiciously, the software being FOSS would enable someone to inspect the code and determine the root cause of that behavior. This examination would be made much more difficult if the software were closed source.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by karmakaze »

freediver wrote: post #69
karmakaze wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For something as important as a web browser or operating system, I'd want it to be open source. In the FAQ it does say that they're opensourcing components and plan to opensource the browser eventually. This is all good. Long term though, I'd want it also to run on opensource operating systems. It doesn't exactly make sense to have an opensource browser on a closed source operating system. I use Firefox on macOS (+ L…

Arguably it does not need to be open source if it is zero-telemetry by default (if privacy is concern). Reference: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy

That's debatable, and being debated[0] regarding xp.apple.com. Is it telemetry, what is it? Can it be trusted?

And just because something starts out being telemetry free, there's no guarantee it will stay that way and you can't fork the 'last known good'.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34562402#34563003

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by hnarn »

I just tried Orion for iOS and weirdly almost every single page I visit (but not all) give me a certificate warning.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by rtev »

imwillofficial wrote: post #106
rtev wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the risk associated with password managers is only applicable when using the browser extensions. I know it’s a minor inconvenience, but I would advise sticking with the lack of extension.

This hasn’t been shown to be true in any meaningful way.

Tavis Ormandy is one of the leading security experts in the world. Here’s a blog post that highlights a number of the risks related to password manager extensions: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/passmgrs.html

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by louthy »

CapmCrackaWaka wrote: post #64
louthy wrote: post #45

It’s still quite buggy, things like occasionally not drawing the page when you switch to a new site; and sometimes being stuck rendering on half the screen only (seems related to the tabs pop out). I’m still sticking with it for now, because I use Kagi search and I like their ethos. But I am getting slightly frustrated with it. So I may switch soon (I’ll continue using Kagi though, that I really rate)

How long have you been using it? I just started about 4 days ago. I received a MacBook Pro for work and decided to use Orion because I use Kagi, and I haven’t noticed any defects. I’ve primarily been using YouTube, gmail and stack overflow though.

A few months. I still get both of the issues I mention above.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by imwillofficial »

commoner wrote: post #131
imwillofficial wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A piece of software will always be more trustworthy when it is free and open source than when it is closed source. Totally disagree. Unless you are reviewing the software yourself (like not), you’re just hoping that somebody else reviewed it and they are competent, and that any vulns are reported and fixed. That’s a lot of trust ok a system that may or may not work as intended. Might as well be closed source at tha…

> Unless you are reviewing the software yourself (like not) If you're assuming this about me, then you're wrong. I frequently review source code for FOSS I use, especially the parts that I submit issues and pull requests for. I also know that others are reviewing the source code, since they are submitting issues (that reference portions of the code) and pull requests, too. > Might as well be closed source at that poi…

Great points

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by DavideNL »

mrkramer wrote: post #8

For people who want to compare privacy(tracking) features of browsers, you can look it up here: https://privacytests.org/ That is not my website I found about it here on HN. I wonder how Orion compares to other browsers.

What they don’t mention is: they’re testing only the default browser settings (a clean install.)

Almost nobody uses the default settings… the results are misinterpreted by most people.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

ziml77 wrote: post #53

The native tree-style tabs in Orion (yes, actual tree-style, not just vertical) are awesome. And on my M1 MBP Orion handily beats Firefox in power efficiency. Being able to install Chrome extensions, despite being a Webkit based browser, makes it better than Safari (where people have to pay the Apple Tax to make extensions for it). Really there's only 2 issues I have with Orion: 1. It's not available outside of the A…

Agreed on all points. It also has too many bugs for non technical/canary users. However Vlad is very open on this, both on Discord and the issue tracker (https://orionfeedback.org/).

It's an amazing browser, and I'd love to use it across all my devices.

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