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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by earthling8118 »

nostromo wrote: post #35
yboris wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

This is a weak, boring, and non-genuine take. UBI is nothing like the stimulus checks. The amount given (to people at least, not the PPP loans) was miniscule and the inflation/shortages are not from the payments

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by throw_away_pri »

kritiko wrote: post #93
throw_away_pri wrote: post #20

Personal anecdote: I'm going through some mental issues as a result of my divorce and I have trouble staying motivated at work. It's incredibly tempting to claim that I'm suffering from long COVID as an excuse instead of a mental health issue. I wonder how many people are just using it as a convenient excuse?

Given the push for mental health & disability visibility as part of DE&I initiatives, is there a reason that you think long covid would garner you more sympathy than saying you're suffering depression as the result of a traumatic experience?

I think that push has helped but it's not universal and there's a lot of stigma around mental health issues.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by BizarreByte »

eldritch_4ier wrote: post #67
runemadsen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just so, so wrong in many ways. Read about post-viral diseases such as Me/CFS that closely mirrors what Long Covid sufferers are going through. Watch "Unrest" on Netflix. Stop telling people who have serious physical symptoms that it's all mental. Just stop.

Are there any physiological or biological signatures for Long Covid? Is there any objective way to diagnose? The symptoms of Long Covid are so vague and our recent work so wacky, you could use the same criteria used to diagnose Long Covid to diagnose "Long Lockdowns Syndrome" with all the same vague symptoms.

> The symptoms of Long Covid are so vague

They’re often worse than that. A lady was interviewed on Radio 1 a few days ago and she had recorded over 100 (!) symptoms in herself that she attributed to long COVID.

The fun part of the story was she was never diagnosed with COVID at any point since 2020. She assumed when she got sick in March of 2020 it was COVID and that’s when her problems began.

Everything about her story pointed strongly to serious mental health issues, but she completely rejected even the idea that was possible.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by throw_away_pri »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #66
throw_away_pri wrote: post #20

Personal anecdote: I'm going through some mental issues as a result of my divorce and I have trouble staying motivated at work. It's incredibly tempting to claim that I'm suffering from long COVID as an excuse instead of a mental health issue. I wonder how many people are just using it as a convenient excuse?

>convenient excuse I think it’s not so overt or intentional. It’s more of a confabulation effect.

Right, like another commenter suggests, perhaps I do have long covid and I just don't know it. I'm sure there's a confabulation.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by throw_away_pri »

switch007 wrote: post #68
throw_away_pri wrote: post #20

Personal anecdote: I'm going through some mental issues as a result of my divorce and I have trouble staying motivated at work. It's incredibly tempting to claim that I'm suffering from long COVID as an excuse instead of a mental health issue. I wonder how many people are just using it as a convenient excuse?

I'd never claim mental health issues at work, personally. Sorry to hear about your divorce! Stay strong

Thank you, I'm getting help, it just takes time to heal.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by ibejoeb »

wk_end wrote: post #60
ibejoeb wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the control for this, though? We're talking about a conjecture that there is a non-specific, undetectable condition affecting millions of people to the point that they are unable to work. Who pays for UBI if anyone can claim it?

The basic idea of UBI is that everyone claims it. That's why it's universal!

I clarified the "claim" elsewhere in this thread, but since this position is on the table now:

I have no qualms helping to provide for people who need providing. So let's just suppose we do that with UBI. Now, UBI needs to be funded by someone. If you are funding UBI, what is the purpose of giving you back that money?

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by scotty79 »

ibejoeb wrote: post #128
scotty79 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Progressive property tax. The more property you own, the higher percentage of its value you pay every year as a tax.

So you want to give a large property owner UBI, but then you want to tax him more than the UBI?

Yup. I'm gonna give him UBI because figuring out why he shouldn't get any would cost too much.

And I'm gonna take the property tax to finance UBI but also to incentivise him to maybe sell some of his property to lower his property tax percentage. To reduce his ability to suck out UBI of his tenants from them.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by nostromo »

scotty79 wrote: post #112
nostromo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

It just tought us that introducing UBI needs to go hand in hand with measures to prevent capturing of this money by landlords. Personally I'd like to see progressive real estate tax introduced. The more property you own, the higher percentage of its value you need to pay each year as a tax.

This would be disastrous. We already have a housing shortage, leading to high prices. The answer isn't to make it more expensive than it already is.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by raptor556 »

wetpaws wrote: post #21
raptor556 wrote: post #8

I've recently realized that I've been unusually tired, daily, and lack the usually high ambition and drive I had prior to January 2020, which is when I caught COVID. I never got the vaccine and I'm curious if my symptoms are related to COVID, or related to being a few years older, or changes to exercise schedules, or a general change in life outlook after the past few years, or even mild depression or something. It m…

It's unlikely vaccine will help you at this point, although there've been some anecdotal reports of vaccination reducing symptoms of long covid.

The problem is what even is "long covid"? I've had a doctor tell me it doesn't actually exist, and other people tell me it's to blame for basically everything.

Has the definition been consolidated now that covid is (seemingly) a little less political?

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by raptor556 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #26
raptor556 wrote: post #8

I've recently realized that I've been unusually tired, daily, and lack the usually high ambition and drive I had prior to January 2020, which is when I caught COVID. I never got the vaccine and I'm curious if my symptoms are related to COVID, or related to being a few years older, or changes to exercise schedules, or a general change in life outlook after the past few years, or even mild depression or something. It m…

You'd probably be better off talking to your doctor and having some bloodwork done. It could be as simple as some kind of deficiency. Throwing a random vaccine at it for something that vaccines aren't meant to do is probably ill advised.

I've done this, labs seems normal, though I don't think we tested for vitamin deficiencies.
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