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Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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Doesn't a compulsory service charge solve this problem? The prices of the items on the menu, remain the same, the but the cheque adds X% to the final charge. AFAIK here in Ecuador restaurants are required to add a 12% service charge.

That's still a hidden charge that makes the menu pricing mildly dishonest. Adding X% to all the prices is clearly the right solution. The problem is that all restaurants need to do it to make it work.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

#132

Doesn't a compulsory service charge solve this problem? The prices of the items on the menu, remain the same, the but the cheque adds X% to the final charge. AFAIK here in Ecuador restaurants are required to add a 12% service charge.

That's still a hidden charge that makes the menu pricing mildly dishonest. Adding X% to all the prices is clearly the right solution. The problem is that all restaurants need to do it to make it work.

Or they just have to post the fact, and that you don't have to tip. That makes it a fairly even playing field.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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> It seems like the only way to get rid of tipping in the US is for every restaurant to do it simultaneously, either by mutual decision (ha!) or through some kind of legislation (double ha!) Another unmentioned way is if customers just get fed up with paying tips and start tipping less. I get annoyed with any digital payment screen that only offers default tip options of 18% or more and take my revenge by sometimes s…

The problem with taking "revenge" is that you only hurt the employees. Assuming the employer is not stealing tips, not tipping doesn't affect the bosses at all. If you want revenge, stop visiting the place.

I think not tipping would effect the ability of the bosses to hire good employees

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

#134

> It seems like the only way to get rid of tipping in the US is for every restaurant to do it simultaneously, either by mutual decision (ha!) or through some kind of legislation (double ha!) Another unmentioned way is if customers just get fed up with paying tips and start tipping less. I get annoyed with any digital payment screen that only offers default tip options of 18% or more and take my revenge by sometimes s…

>Customers simultaneously deciding to stop tipping (triple ha!) I think it's easier for restaurants to stop tipping simultaneously than for every customer in America to stop.

The thing is that customers don't have to stop all at once. If one restaurant stops all on its own then it will go out of business. If a customer stops tipping then they suffer no consequences cause they are freeloading off of everyone else who hasn't stopped yet. Once the rest of the customers see that people are freeloading off of them then they will be tempted to stop too.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

#135

> It seems like the only way to get rid of tipping in the US is for every restaurant to do it simultaneously, either by mutual decision (ha!) or through some kind of legislation (double ha!) Another unmentioned way is if customers just get fed up with paying tips and start tipping less. I get annoyed with any digital payment screen that only offers default tip options of 18% or more and take my revenge by sometimes s…

The problem with taking "revenge" is that you only hurt the employees. Assuming the employer is not stealing tips, not tipping doesn't affect the bosses at all. If you want revenge, stop visiting the place.

Refusing to tip or tipping less does affect restaurant bosses, but the effect is one step removed. By not tipping or leaving smaller tips, customers reduce the total take-home pay of the servers, which pressures restaurant bosses to increase the base wage in order to retain the servers.

On the other hand, leaving excessively high tips encourages restaurant bosses to keep the base wage low, since you are relieving the bosses of the market pressure to pay a competitive wage.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure if that’s true? Back then in the 50s in most Asian countries, you wanted water at a hospital? “Tip” the nurse $1. Want fresh blood transfusion, “tip” the nurse and doctor $10 on top of the cost of the blood. I’m not sure the outcome needs to be nefarious and unethical for it to be considered a bribe.

Most Asian countries? You're gonna have to get a little more specific, cuz that just isn't true for many.

To be fair, the OP is referencing the 1950s which was just after WW2 and is 70 years ago. This is beyond the living memory of most people.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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Isn't that chalked up to the normal distribution? Can you really blame people who fall under the left side of the curve? Look at page 9 of this PDF. [1]: https://www.westga.edu/academics/research/vrc/assets/docs/th...

I have no inner monologue, unless I'm specifically thinking about what to say or write. Language is non-essential for thought. It's a way to map thoughts into a communicable form, but it's not thought . The concepts language describes exist independent of the language. Interestingly for me this translation of thought into language is much slower for writing than it is for speaking (with typing intermediate but closer…

As you said, you do have an inner monologue, so I don’t think my comment applies to you.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no inner monologue, unless I'm specifically thinking about what to say or write. Language is non-essential for thought. It's a way to map thoughts into a communicable form, but it's not thought . The concepts language describes exist independent of the language. Interestingly for me this translation of thought into language is much slower for writing than it is for speaking (with typing intermediate but closer…

As you said, you do have an inner monologue, so I don’t think my comment applies to you.

No, I have no inner monologue in the usual sense of some "voice" in my head that I think in. I just translate thoughts into words when I need words. I certainly don't narrate my own day or anything like I've heard others describe their inner monologue.

Re: Why Tipping Is Impossible to Get Rid of in America

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I think there is a 3rd possibility in how tipping ends: people get sick of tipping and stop doing it. It seems like every single transaction asks for a tip these days. I tip heavily, but even I am getting weary of tipping so often. Most of the time, it feels like the tip shouldn't be necessary; the employers should be covering the cost of the employee. If people get used to declining tip prompts, it's possible that w…

Yeah I'm done with those screens that flip around and ask you to tip everywhere. My default is now 'no tip' unless its a traditional tipping situation. Most of the time those 'tips' aren't going to the employees, it is just predatory capitalism exploiting another revenue stream.
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