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Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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> To optimize this ratio in practice, we used the multi-pixel sensor of an electron multiplying charge-coupled device (EMCCD) camera as our idler detector (Fig. 1a). As the EMCCD can detect multiple photons simultaneously, it allowed us to identify and reject, that is, post-select, all events other than those where a single-photon pair was generated with a higher efficiency than with more traditional single-photon av…

There is a process called spontaneous parametric downconversion (SPDC), where if you shine laser of frequency f at a crystal, it will with small probability p emit two photons of frequency f/2 (energy conservation in play here). If done correctly, the outgoing laser light and the two photons all travel in different directions and so can be separated and further directed using mirrors or optical fiber cables. Because…

I drew a schematic using https://asciiflow.com/

                                        +---------------------+
                                        | Heralding detector  |
                                        |                     |
                                        +---------------------+
                                       /
                                      /
                       +----------+  /  Photon 1
                       |          | /
    Laser beam ------> | Crystal  | ------------> Outgoing laser beam
                       |          | \
                       +----------+  \ Photon 2
                                      \
                                       \
                                        To human eye

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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post #50

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No, eliminating the photon count filter would just make your vision look noisy/staticky in dark conditions. Most of the effects of LSD (patterns etc) are actually pretty well understood. It's probably caused by a stable geometric pattern generated by a reaction-diffusion process in your visual cortex. https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-ha... Related to your question (although minus drugs) - I v…

In the dark I perceive an extremely "noisy" visual field, with lots of different color dots like on a shitty camera sensor at low light. Is that not normal?

Certainly not normal for me! I can now do it if I focus, but prior to learning how to do that, I would never have described my dark-environment vision as "noisy".

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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> Is the back of an eye a sufficient observer? :) It definitely is. The retina "measures" photon positions, which is why you see images. Observation is just interaction, no need to consider whether A can observe B. If they interact, some kind of observation takes place.

When the photon passes through the lens and the watery liquid part, its path is bent by refraction. Does that process also count as an "interaction", or is that different to what happens when the photon hits the retina?

It does count as interaction. The systems are different.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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Recent experiments have put the claim to test Overview https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2016.20282 The actual work https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12172 > Here we report that humans can detect a single-photon incident on the cornea with a probability significantly above chance.

Interesting study, though if you look at the results 'significantly above chance' looks to be 0.60 +/- .05, which is indeed better than 0.50 but not what anyone could call reliable detection. I wonder if trained owls could detect single photons, or if their night vision is based on just having much larger lenses that collect more light? It seems that all rods in retinas are activated by single-photon-absorption, it's…

It wasn’t clear to me whether that 0.60 accounted for the fact (mentioned in the overview) that only 10% of photons reaching the eye actually make it through.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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This fun fact gets even more fun when you consider that a human radiates a nonzero amount of visible light via blackbody radiation - on the order of a photon/minute - which means that in theory, with some luck, in an otherwise cold and completely dark room, two humans might be able to notice each other through vision alone. You can check my math here if you want to convince yourself: https://www.spectralcalc.com/blac…

     Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

I am not a physicist but fun fact, In transit there is no such thing as a photon(electro magnetic waves can transit at any energy level) however light can only interact with matter at discrete energy levels, so the photon(a discrete energy level of light) only exists there, at the interaction with matter. For some very good practical optics you can do a lot worse than the Huygens Optics youtube channel. https://www.y…

Particle and waves were just two seemingly incompatible models the modern natural philosophers used.

In post-modern (quantum) physics and the discovery/conception of photons by Einstein, they have been brought together as the same concept (and more generally for non-light by de Broglie as quantons).

A wavepacket is probably a good way to think of single quantons : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Wavelet....

N.B.: In sufficiently weird and/or high energy situations, photons can also interact with one another ! :

https://www.quora.com/Do-photons-interact-with-other-photons...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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On a related note, you can hear sounds that displace your eardrums on the order of an atomic diameter. At least that is something I heard years ago, a quick search turned up this StackExchange question [1] so there may be some truth to this, I did however not read the answers too carefully. They actually seems to suggest that the threshold is even quite a bit smaller which makes me somewhat cautious of the claim, but…

>> sounds that displace your eardrums on the order of an atomic diameter. That isn't all that surprising really. This isn't one atom moving a tiny bit. It is billions and billions of atoms all shifting back and forth together.

AIUI, we "hear" that motion.

It's not that it takes billions+ of atoms in order to effect a motion at all, it's that the amount of motion here, _of the sensor_, is just an atomic diameter. If it takes billions of atoms to move the sensor, the sensor itself is comprised of trillions+ (I'd guess, decillions+) of atoms.

That we can "hear" the movement of just a single atomic diameter in distance of such a relatively massive structure doesn't seem amazing? I'm even more amazed that with such sensitivity, we aren't inundated with the noise from that, and can still hear normal volume sounds, whose movement must be absolutely massive compared to a single atomic diameter. I guess that effect is similar to the eye's. We cannot see a single photon in the presence of daylight. That only works in a darkened (pitch black in this case) room.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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Does an infrared photon have enough energy to stimulate a rod?

Definitely. 20 years ago when homes were not littered with LEDs all over, I would wake in the night to total blackness. I could still find my way around the house just able to see based on what is I suppose a noise floor of ambient temperature. Go into the kitchen & behold the stove top emitting 'bright' white light, from I suppose a temperature of around 30degC /90F. Obviously everything is a blackbody, but those ph…

Is it possible that your house was illuminated by ultrashort infrared laser pulses?

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1410162111

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