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Re: New Mac Mini

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disappointed to see them still selling these with 8gb RAM. More than a dozen chrome tabs and a few discord servers has been enough to crash/significantly slow down my m1 mac mini edit: the ad says up to 24/32GB of ram, but seems like 8gb/16gb models are the only ones available for pre-order at the moment.

At checkout you can add memory, up to 32GB total.

Re: New Mac Mini

#132
post #40

Is the RAM and SSD upgradeable? The baseline model is 8GB / 256GB, and very reasonably priced at $600. Upgrading to 24GB is a whopping $400, and to 1TB is another $400. The $700 baseline seems reasonable. $1500 for a minimum usable machine seems more than a little excessive.

Apple's pricing is pretty interesting. On the low side they annoy with a hobbled option (256G storage); on the high side they price things to ask "do you _really_ want 2T ssd in this thing?" In the middle is the product they'd like to sell the most. An $800 box with a power cord. Spend the same and get a therma-throttled cpu with iOS and display (iPad); a little more and get a monitor (MBA). Spend double and get a la…

A lot of people use Mac Minis as headless home servers, and for that use case I think the starting configuration is just fine and well-priced.

Re: New Mac Mini

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A M2 Pro Mini with a few spec bumps puts it at a similar price than a M1 Max Studio. I was waiting for the Mini refresh but now I think I'll just wait for the Studio refresh and get one with M2 Max.

With the Pro Mini, I wonder if the lower-end of the Studio "moves up"... $X00 more, but with an M2 not available on the mini?

The Studio uses the Max and Ultra variants, so my guess is they will continue the trend.

Mini = M2 and M2 Pro | Studio = M2 Max and M2 Ultra. | Mac Pro = M2 Ultra and ??? (or maybe 2x Ultra)

Re: New Mac Mini

#134
post #86

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Dell's XPS tower starts at $749 (8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Intel 12400) and can be maxed out (not including support contracts) for $5200. Heck, a Ford Maverick starts at $22,195 and can be customized maxed out at over $40,000. This is not an uncommon pattern.

True, but I would argue that it actually makes some sense for the XPS, Dell's only "pro desktop" option (does Vostro count as "pro"?). That the Mac mini can cost either X or ~10X is more like saying "a car starts at $15k and can cost $150k". Throw in that it clearly overlaps with the Mac Pro and Mac Studio and I can only ask "why would I pick X, Y or Z?" It seems like the Studio is the way to go vs a mini configured…

XPS is Dell's premium lifestyle model. OptiPlex is their enterprise/pro model (which starts at $499). I didn't talk about "a car" in the generic sense, I talked about a single model--not even multiple models from the same manufacturer (Apple:Ford::Mac Mini:Maverick).

Re: New Mac Mini

#135

I'd still like a few more ol' fashion USB-A ports on there. I have so many things I need to plugin to USB-A ports still. My Mini only has 2 and it's just not enough.

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Re: New Mac Mini

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No, it's $599, with a load of extra customised options that allow people to add what they want, you cannot even buy this one in a store, you have to do a custom order, your regular user, walking into an electronic store will buy a base model. You've specced it up with every customisation possible, that 999.999999% of buyers won't do and won't need and then complain at the cost in an effort to bash Apple,

I'm not trying to bash Apple in bad faith, but let's be real the $599 model is inadequate. 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD in 2023. There's plenty out there on the M1 Mac mini's 8GB being a bad idea even for casual users. I had an 8GB M1 mini when it first came out and returned it because it was swapping to the SSD with like 3 apps open (nothing like an IDE or Docker or Adobe X Y Z). I just find it humorous that you can s…

Many people use 8GB/256GB happily.

It's like a faith amongst some people that this is bad, but the idea seems to lack evidence.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Does anyone know if Mac Minis integrate with Xcode to perform distributed builds? It would be superb if a small software team could expense half a dozen Mac Minis to handle the team's build jobs.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Because the alternative is to add literally a few dollars to the bill of materials for the machine, double the memory, and give everyone a better experience. This also means the machine will last longer and likely not end up in a landfill as soon. $200 to add 8GB of memory is _insane_, and framing it as "consumer choice" is bad when consumers are being gouged so badly. It's literally at least a 20x markup on the whol…

But this is an M series system, it's not running of off-the-shelf Kingston DDR4.

Yes, and? Apple's wholesale RAM cost is likely even lower than a computer with socketed RAM, due to economies of scale and fewer parts overall (RAM soldered directly vs. RAM on a separate PCB, plus a socket soldered to the main board).

Re: New Mac Mini

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That presupposes that the user knows how to deal with that. I did it for my wife’s current Mac Mini and never again. Photos is all janky and anything that causes an inconvenience is my fault.

So you're answering my question here with a no? "Is it realistic to have an external drive for photos that integrates seamlessly with the native Photos app?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34413791

Apple disagrees, and I would take Apple's advice over some random anecdote. There is no reason that an external photo library would be inherently worse than an internal one.

If that person actually did use a hard drive (not an NVMe SSD), then yes, the experience would probably be janky. I don't think modern Apple Photos is built to handle slow spinning rust very well.

If someone uses an external SSD with equal or greater performance to the internal SSD, then it would naturally perform as well or better than the internal photo library would have. Apple was putting a ~3GB/s SSD inside the M1 Mac Mini, which is hardly cutting edge and can be matched by an external thunderbolt NVMe enclosure. $120 for the enclosure + $70 for the SSD is still way less than the $400 that Apple is charging, and it can actually be upgraded down the line. Or someone could get a 2TB SSD for $130 (+ $120 for the enclosure). Apple wants $800 for 2TB of storage!

Even if Apple upgraded to faster SSDs for the new M2 Mac Mini (which is not clear at all), 3GB/s would still perform exactly as well as it did on the M1 Mac mini's internal SSD, which is to say... it would perform plenty well.

Re: New Mac Mini

#140
post #7

disappointed to see them still selling these with 8gb RAM. More than a dozen chrome tabs and a few discord servers has been enough to crash/significantly slow down my m1 mac mini edit: the ad says up to 24/32GB of ram, but seems like 8gb/16gb models are the only ones available for pre-order at the moment.

> dozen chrome tabs and a few discord servers This is absolutely not normal...

Huh? It's completely normal (on the low range of normal, I'd wager), especially in the market of people buying desktop computers in 2023.
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