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Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#131

I see no moral problem with file sharing. Personally it's rarely worth the hassle, though I occasionally convert a youtube video to and mp3 for niche songs I can't find on spotify. I'd say it depends on how you value your time and how difficult it is to find what you want. "Piracy" is the legitimate competitor of streaming services. It seems like we have had a period where streaming offered a better product, but havi…

Well interestingly enough, it really is developers that can make a great piracy user experience. Why don’t we?

It's an arms race. If you make piracy too convenient, the IP lawyers and lawmakers start working against you.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#132

I'm not going to speak about my personal practices, but I find the current landscape of streaming services unusable and unsustainable from a customer perspective. I share a Netflix and Prime account with my parents, and support for that is soon going to end. I don't feel like either of those services provide enough value to me to consider paying for them entirely by myself. The content is mediocre at best, finding an…

What did people think was going to happen with subscription services? That you get everything you wanted in just one? This was inevitable, I am not quite sure why people were so excited about Netflix. It just meant that we own even less of what we consume. When you brought a disc (or even a digital version of it), you can kind of claim ownership. With subscription services? You can't even morally argue that you own i…

Spotify largely works as all-in-one sevice for (mainstream) music, I don't know why it would have been unreasonable to think that same could have happened to movies/series.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did people think was going to happen with subscription services? That you get everything you wanted in just one? This was inevitable, I am not quite sure why people were so excited about Netflix. It just meant that we own even less of what we consume. When you brought a disc (or even a digital version of it), you can kind of claim ownership. With subscription services? You can't even morally argue that you own i…

You are missing an important thing. Netflix allowed a huge library of DVDs to be rented. You could have 3-4 DVDs on rotation for a rather cheap price. This happened when Blockbuster would charge you $5 per movie, and Netflix would charge $10.99 for unlimited DVDs, but you could only have 3 DVDs checked out. That's why Netflix was huge and killed Video Store rentals.

BTW, this is still the case. https://dvd.netflix.com/

Netflix has never dropped their DVD service even though they wanted to many times. There are still places in the US where broadband is unavailable.

Also, due to first sale they don't have same license restrictions as they would on streaming. Once they buy the disc they can rent it as many times they want for as long as they want.

I've considered re-adding the DVD rental, I've been using Netflix since they included the coupons in DVD player purchases, because they have the films that aren't available on Netflix streaming and it would be cheaper than adding the myriad streaming service subscriptions.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#134
post #53

I pirated a lot when I was younger and couldn't afford it. It's a headache I don't need anymore - worrying about VPNs or seedboxes, torrent sites moving to different domains or being shut down, maintaining ratios, letters from your ISP... Nowadays entertainment is quite accessible through subscriptions and I just wait for decent sales on the games I want to play.

You don't need seebox / ratios, trackers don't know how much you really uploaded, as a matter of fact it's your client that send that information, so you can send anything you want.

In 2008, sure. Any worthwhile monkeying of seeding statistics in a largely compliant user base will obviously stick out like a sore thumb.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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post #60

I mostly play smaller or indie games, which have less aggressive monetization. If I were to go and play the latest AAA like Assassin's Creed or whatever, I would definitely pirate it, but the game doesn't call to me anyway. Not only due to pricing and additional monetization, but mainly to remove the invasive DRM these kinds of titles use. YouTube Premium I do the janky family sharing thing that makes the price toler…

The Spotify rant:

Here's how I listen to music: entire specific albums, in tracklist order, maybe queue up a couple albums. I always know what I want to listen before even thinking of opening a music player. Maybe the odd playlist if it's say, a game soundtrack that doesn't have a single album release.

Here's how Spotify fucks it up:

Home page shows a couple recent albums, which might or not be what I want to listen to. Despite the set of music I listen to being mostly fixed, it is not small, so it doesn't fit in the single row of big album art buttons.

It also shows recommendations, which as I described, have 0 value to me, and in fact, are of negative value when they take space of features that would have positive value.

The side bar has a couple options, but most of the space is dedicated to playlists ("create playlist", the button I never clicked, as well as "liked songs" and a list of arbitrary playlists). As I don't use playlists most of the time, the ones that do show up are a random smattering of previous listens.

I then click the "Your Library" tab. First of all, I was walking through the app while writing this, and a full modal to some random ass merch ad showed up. (related to the silly Wrapped thingy) I am a paying user, why am I seeing ads?

Anyways, the first page in Your Library is always Playlists, which, as previously estabilished, are useless to me. So another click to go to the Albums tab.

The albums tab is pretty alright, maybe not very information dense, and no categorization options, but it works.

Now, let me set up my listening. I go to album A, click play. It starts playing album A, brilliant. Then I go to album B, which I would like to play after album A, so I click "add to queue", which for some reason is hidden behind a "..." menu even though there more than half a screen of empty space in the row of buttons where it lies.

Did you spot what I did wrong? Playing an album plays the first song in the album, and puts the rest in the "up next" part of the queue, but queueing an album queues all its songs in the "queue" part of the queue. "up next" goes after "queue", so this means I will hear song A1, then B1, B2, [...], then A2, A3, [...]

But wait, There's more! Last time I used Spotify, I did not finish listening to the queued songs! Blimey me, there were still some songs from album C in there! So actually, my listening order is A1, C7, C8, B1, B2, [...], A2, A3, [...]. No, bad user, you did the incantation wrong!

So my usual workflow for using this blasted application is:

Open the app.

Click the tiny "queue" icon that has no indication about if there are things there or not.

Click "Clear queue"

Click "Your Library"

Click "Albums"

Select the album I want.

Click the "..."

Click "Add to queue"

Go back to the album list

Click the other album

Click the "..."

Click "Add to queue"

Rinse and repeat.

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I don't even particularly mind having the feature of storing the queue for the future, it has been useful a couple times, but the fact that everything is hidden behind a million pages of useless bullshit is infuriating.

Compare it, for example, to the Elisa player on KDE, which is pretty simplistic, it gets it right! Straight to the music, the playlist ("queue" in Spotify terminology) is visible so I can immediately see and clear it if I want, playing an album doesn't put its song in the limbo queue...

Even the good old Windows Media Player has a fantastic library UI that goes straight to the point!

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#137

Nope not open to piracy. I'm not going to pirate a movie just because I can't afford the streaming service.

What if there is no alternative? Imagine you're already paying for 3-4 streaming services but none of them have the content available, would you result to piracy then or just give up to watch it? What if they had the provided content, but not dubbed/subtitled/cc'ed in the language you need?

I'm not the person you replied to, but have the same stance. I'd just not consume that content.

I don't deserve to have everything, even if I want it. At the end of the day, it's just a piece of media.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#138
It's interesting to watch all of the moralizing and rationalization in here. I would expect this crowd of (mostly) very smart adults to just accept that piracy benefits them, hurts the content producer, doesn't hurt anyone they know, and has a very low probability of negative consequences.

The tendency to compress an uncontroversial description of costs and benefits as they affect multiple parties into a unique point on a moral continuum to be observed by all parties is age appropriate for a teenager.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#139
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually choose not to watch.And not because of morals, but because the life is sad when so much effort goes into consuming content.

Then I will miss a big pile of content. Netflix is very limited in some regions.

You will miss a big pile of content anyway because even if you are in full consumption mode with full access to everything, no one has the time to see/read/listen/play even a fraction of what is published every given day. Given our rate of media production, the backlog of potential worthwile stuff you will miss out on is ever growing.
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