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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by neilv »

Sakos wrote: post #123
neilv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. At first glance, a safety issue looks plausible. But if it turns out someone is playing business optimization games with safety issues, by consciously creating the safety issues, with the intention of using them to get out of some other regulatory compliance... that doesn't sound in the spirit of the aviation safety programs. In the US, I suspect that pretty much any personnel who observed this co…

It's likely that there just isn't any legal oversight. They made this loophole, but there are intentionally no provisions to ensure it isn't abused. This is something that would need to be legislated again, but if they screwed up this badly this time (on purpose), I doubt that'll ever happen.

Aviation safety has oversight, whether or not this consumer-oriented legislation does.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by rendall »

anarticle wrote: post #129
harporoeder wrote: post #48

Shameless plug, the organization Louis (and I) work for, FUTO, is hosting a fellowship program sponsoring people to work on open-source software for three months for $20k-$80k and free housing in Austin. Applications are due Jan 1st! https://futo.org/fellows

Very cool project! Louis is one of my favorite youtubers. One catch on the site is no definition of FUTO? I looked all over and couldn't find out what the acronym (?) means. Future Use Tech Org? Fun Under The Orange?

I'm hoping it's recursive.

FUTO Updates The Organization or something

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by subradios »

Ekaros wrote: post #126
smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

We need some 3-strike rules for companies. Three 3-strikes like wrong reasons used and you are permanently out. Your property is confiscated and sold, wages are paid out, any debtors are paid if there is any money and rest is forfeited as penalty to state.

"Be a good person" is not a law I want anyone writing, because such a policy relies on the moral fortitude of random executive bureaucrats.

"Wrong" reason is subjective. Tickets are nonrefundable because otherwise the network doesn't work, financially. Every hole in that increases costs far beyond the refunds themselves further down the line.

Air travel is not a high margin, luxury product, it's a lot margin mass market product with tons of competition - ergo costs are cut wherever possible. When you force airlines to take on costs for moral reasons, they basically are obligated to find as narrow an application of the moral reasoning as possible to keep costs down.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by college_physics »

codekansas wrote: post #125
college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

I'm not sure I understand what the alternative is - should you pretend that corporations are not ruthless profit maximizers, and allow them to have undue sway over our legislative system all the same? It seems like the root of the problem is that we've let the institutions which are supposed to hold our politicians to account when they exhibit blatant corruption fall into disrepair.

there are plenty of remedies. the interface of private (narrow) and public (broad) interest is vital and unavoidable but it should be subject to outmost transparency and independent checks. further, corporate structures (size, contracts etc) can change themselves (they are just legal constructs after all) to reduce perverse incentives.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by adaml_623 »

college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

Really unclear comment. Who are you talking about

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

adaml_623 wrote: post #135
college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

Really unclear comment. Who are you talking about

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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Sakos »

neilv wrote: post #131
Sakos wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely that there just isn't any legal oversight. They made this loophole, but there are intentionally no provisions to ensure it isn't abused. This is something that would need to be legislated again, but if they screwed up this badly this time (on purpose), I doubt that'll ever happen.

Aviation safety has oversight, whether or not this consumer-oriented legislation does.

Of course, that's not what I said.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by remote_phone »

subradios wrote: post #133
Ekaros wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need some 3-strike rules for companies. Three 3-strikes like wrong reasons used and you are permanently out. Your property is confiscated and sold, wages are paid out, any debtors are paid if there is any money and rest is forfeited as penalty to state.

"Be a good person" is not a law I want anyone writing, because such a policy relies on the moral fortitude of random executive bureaucrats. "Wrong" reason is subjective. Tickets are nonrefundable because otherwise the network doesn't work, financially. Every hole in that increases costs far beyond the refunds themselves further down the line. Air travel is not a high margin, luxury product, it's a lot margin mass mar…

> Tickets are nonrefundable because otherwise the network doesn't work, financially.

This is 100% false. Southwest Airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the US and their refund policy for refundable flights is a full refund up to 10 mins before the flight. For nonrefundable flights you get full credit if you cancel up to 10 mins before your flight, with no additional fees.

During the pandemic, ALL airlines moved to full credit with no change fees if you cancelled your flight. Previously they would have absurd $200 change fees or loss of your flight.

The idea that airlines can’t survive with flexible, consumer friendly policies is a lie. Things like the check in fees or fuel surcharge are pure profit.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by remote_phone »

Zuiii wrote: post #71
ammar2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

Who is on the regulatory body that reviews these cases? Probably friends of the airline industry.
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