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Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by bell-cot »

retinaros wrote: post #96
ceejayoz wrote: post #80

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Trump dismissed the FBI Director and picked the new one in 2017. That's a fairly significant change.

so? the history of mankind is built on people picking other people thinking they will do X while they will use all their force to do Y.

Which is why the admirals of the Imperial Japanese Navy refused to attack Pearl Harbor when ordered to do so...right?

The ones who do Y instead of X are often pretty interesting. But that's partly because they're pretty rare.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

retinaros wrote: post #96
ceejayoz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump dismissed the FBI Director and picked the new one in 2017. That's a fairly significant change.

so? the history of mankind is built on people picking other people thinking they will do X while they will use all their force to do Y.

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Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by asynchronous »

tosc wrote: post #28
epivosism wrote: post #17

I think it's pretty reasonable to worry about a system of punishment (depriving someone of the right to use a communication platform) administered by the government, which doesn't obey the normal rules of justice: 1) right to see evidence 2) right to confront your accuser 3) right to judgement by a jury of your peers. OFC there is a role for private info and possibly preventing malicious, foreign government manipulat…

So every troll and bot farm should be able to have each tweet judged by a jury?

How about we settle for at least some decent evidence of wrongdoing before eradication by the three letter agency army?

The examples given in these leaks showcase accounts getting banned simply for the opinion they hold, LACKING any other indicators like account origin, IP logins, email domain registration, etc.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by joshuamorton »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #30
themagician wrote: post #12

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BREAKING: tech companies usually cooperate with law enforcement and government when requested. Data shows they are more than 100 times more likely to continue to respond to requests when paid.

I think the important thing here is the lack of judicial oversight. There used to be needed a court order to request things from companies, so someone would actually weight in the evidence and legality of it. Now it's just someone from a secret agency shutting down news stories about laptops because it makes one political candidate look bad.

There has never been need to have judicial oversight when making a request, the FBI can send a request to Twitter just the same as they can ask you to come in for an interview. You're free to refuse.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by counttheforks »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #61
cyberphobe wrote: post #15

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Yeah, these people are just desperately trying to generate outrage over nothing. It’s really really dumb. No need to give them too much thought

Banning DMs talking about true events seems like something reasonable to be outraged about.

HN bans any and all DMs. Outraged yet?

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by ajross »

Ygg2 wrote: post #124
stefan_ wrote: post #35

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Ahh yes, all those tweets the FBI reported that Matt forgot to tell you were straight up revenge porn. I really wonder why they were deleted! If only he could have found out using, like, the Web Archive, as many others did afterwards. (It was the Trump government FBI, by the way. In case your timeline is a bit mixed up?)

> were straight up revenge porn. Citation needed. Even Wikipedia lists it as an abandoned laptop that was trawled for data. Trash as far as I know is legitimate object of search (e.g. police does it). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

The smoking gun email in the "Part 1" Twitter Files thread from Taibbi was a request from the Biden Campaign to look at a list of otherwise-undescribed-and-since-removed tweets. This was strongly implied to be a request for censorship of the laptop story.

Then someone found an archived copy of all but one of the tweets, and they all turned out to be pictures of Hunter Biden's penis.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by akiselev »

Fellshard wrote: post #103
phphphphp wrote: post #58

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If any party was responsible for this FBI behaviour, surely it would be the party that was in power at the time? The Republican party were in control in 2020.

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The FBI? The party that tried to blackmail MLK into killing himself? That FBI?

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by SyzygistSix »

asynchronous wrote: post #133
tosc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So every troll and bot farm should be able to have each tweet judged by a jury?

How about we settle for at least some decent evidence of wrongdoing before eradication by the three letter agency army? The examples given in these leaks showcase accounts getting banned simply for the opinion they hold, LACKING any other indicators like account origin, IP logins, email domain registration, etc.

Would a tag that says "USINT suspects this post/account may be part of a foreign intelligence/disinfo campaign" be a good compromise?

I'm not arrogant enough (surprisingly) to think I am not vulnerable to disinformation and yet I'm also uncomfortable with unilateral censorship.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by joshuamorton »

poszlem wrote: post #109
petesergeant wrote: post #98

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Ah, so the "mainstream media" "radio silence" here for an American politics story is in-fact complaining that on a specific date, it wasn't front-page news in ... the UK?

Can you show me when it made front page in the US media?

I mean it helps that it isn't front page news. It's completely reasonable to disagree about the scale of a story. Most people disagree with you and shellenberger that this is important. What place do you have to demand that we interpret things the same way you do?

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Post by andrekandre »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #4

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i wonder why they are cherry-picking and releasing things like this in a drop-drop fashion... shouldn't just release everything and let the media (and that includes fox et al) dig through it and report on it for us?
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