Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

tutanota.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 177 posts

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#131

Post by sealeck »

kosikond wrote: post #129
irusensei wrote: post #112

Question to UK people based on the responses I’m reading here. If I, a privacy loving person were ever to migrate to the UK is it possible to have a as private and unrestricted anonymous internet as much of the rest of the sane world? Both this and previous thread mentioned some really ridiculous things like lifting restrictions through credit card or drivers license.

Londoner here. On daily basis I don't _feel_ restricted on broadband, besides some thepiratebay and some other good old thorns in copyright industrial complex... But I know GCHQ is watching. So nextdns.io is my trusty friend, VPN is no problemo. On phone I have EE MVNO and without VPN I get blocked pr0n, but not much else. Yes they wanted proof of ID despite having my Direct Debit details. Personal note: But if you w…

> But I know GCHQ is watching

But we also know that they're watching everyone else (i.e. not in the UK) as well.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#132

Post by nsteel »

Nextgrid wrote: post #71
nsteel wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the last 10 years I've used Three a few times for a short while but their reception where I am (in London) has always been awful. However, most recently I tried their 5G home broadband. It worked pretty well but I found a much better deal with Virgin Media so I tried to cancel under their 30 day "money back guarantee" and I've never had such a headache. Their store staff repeatedly lied to my face that it didn't…

The truth is that there isn't any consumer-grade telecoms/ISP provider that doesn't have awful support. You need to go enterprise-grade for any kind of competent support, but the prices will follow as well. Only exception to this would be A&A when it comes to DSL, which offers great & competent service at somewhat affordable prices: https://www.aa.net.uk Your best course of action is to never sign up to a contract (u…

No, that is not true. Like the other commenter here, I used Hyperoptic at my previous flat and they were brilliant. If they had coverage at my new place I'd sign up again in an instant

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#133

Post by tim333 »

tomxor wrote: post #70
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

I live in London and had 3 for years and it went from ok to almost unusable where I was. I think they've sold a lot of unlimited data contracts and don't have the gear to service them.

I switched to O2 a couple of months ago and they've been ok really. Nothing amazing but at least the thing nearly always works.

Three seem to have gone down hill in a number of ways. They were also dropping free roaming (still on O2) and I stopped being able to use my laptop on the tube (works with O2).

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#134

Post by roenxi »

lost_tourist wrote: post #86
callahad wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't be the role of the ISP, but in the UK content blocking is legally mandated. E.g., "The Digital Economy Act 2017 placed the requirement for ISP filtering into law and introduced a requirement for ISPs to block pornographic sites with inadequate age verification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Yeah but email is a service completely unrelated to porn.

How can an ISP be sure an end-to-end encrypted communication channel isn't being used for porn?

It is encrypted. By design they have no idea what it is being used for. It would be very easy to set up a ring of pornography distributors using email (at least in the UK, in civilised countries they'd probably be put out of business by the open internet).

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#135

Post by als0 »

candaceshrock wrote: post #113
fmajid wrote: post #85

The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…

Their 5G coverage is shite also, I have smarty (three backend) running and if I’m lucky to get 5G, it’s never full strength.

Smarty coverage is terrible, can't depend on it even in a city.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#136

Post by rickdeckard »

tomxor wrote: post #70
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

> This is actually how EE maintain higher than average throughput on their 4G networks AFAICT, because they are priced far higher than their competitors, keeping their user numbers lower...

EE actually maintains a higher-than-average throughput because despite telecoms regulation in place they are "somehow" allowed to own a ridiulous amount of spectrum in critical frequency bands. This raw spectrum is required to provide the bandwidth and thus throughput:

For throughput on 4G mobile, the most important LTE frequencies in Europe are Band 1 and 3 (and arguably to a lesser degree Band 7). On those frequencies combined EE owns almost HALF of the total spectrum (45 of 70MHz on Band3, 20 of 60MHz on Band1, 50 of 120MHz on Band7), with the three (!) other competitors splitting up the other half.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#137

Post by ravel-bar-foo »

tomxor wrote: post #70
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

Why is this 4G band saturation never a problem in Seoul? The only place I ever had cell connectivity problems was in a stadium. Does the UK not use LTE? Maybe the Seoul providers installed lots of wifi access points?

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#138

Post by callahad »

irusensei wrote: post #112

Question to UK people based on the responses I’m reading here. If I, a privacy loving person were ever to migrate to the UK is it possible to have a as private and unrestricted anonymous internet as much of the rest of the sane world? Both this and previous thread mentioned some really ridiculous things like lifting restrictions through credit card or drivers license.

I moved from the US to the UK. I don't feel like my access is any different, aside from the many North American sites that block all European IPs for fear of the GDPR.

Notably, smaller ISPs tend to be exempted from the surveillance and censorship requirements. And you actually have a choice of ISPs, because infrastructure and service providers are kept separate, unlike the monopolies in the States.

So, for example, Andrews and Arnold ("AA ISP") tends to take a pretty strong stance as outlined at https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/real-internet/. Very old-school, clueful hacker vibe. Hell, they even GPG sign their invoices.

They're also happy to proactively inform their customers about legislative corner cases, like how the overbroad legal definition of a "communications provider" allows customers to legitimately self-identify in such a way that compels A&A to discard copyright infringement notices (https://www.aa.net.uk/legal/legal-status-customers/).

There are legislative threats in the UK, like the recent Draft Communications Data Bill ("Snooper's Charter"), or government-funded campaigns against encrypted communications (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29955893). Those scare me. But thus far they've generally been beaten back, much the same as SOPA/PIPA were Stateside.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#139

Post by darrenf »

blitzar wrote: post #109
darrenf wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They renamed it to "Go Roam" and if you've been with them since before October 2021 it's still free in 71 countries (otherwise it's pretty steep): https://www.three.co.uk/go-roam "If you’re on Pay As You Go, or your Pay Monthly plan started before 1 October 2021, these charges won’t apply." (I'm a happy Three customer since 2011, can't recall significant signal woes in London while I lived there and have reliable, fa…

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/01/three-custome... Eventually your time will come and they will remove it.

Ugh, I had no idea about that. Thanks for telling me - doesn't seem like I've received any such message from Three themselves. I'll find out for sure in a couple of days time since as luck would have it I went abroad at the start of this month for the first time since early 2020, and used data without worrying while I was there.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#140

Post by weberer »

lost_tourist wrote: post #87
hrrsn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fraudulent ecommerce orders are the only time I've seen tutanota addresses in the wild.

then it should be up to your company to say "hey we don't allow emails from X" and not do business with them. Like someone said in a previous thread "ISPs shoudl be dumb pipes", otherwise they get a nanny complex. Credit cards seem to be doing the same thing these days, acting like nannies.

>Credit cards seem to be doing the same thing these days

Credit card companies have been doing this since day 1

Post reply on HN