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Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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I love my on-prem ip cams, my on-prem server that does the YOLOv5 image recognition and long-term storage, my Home Assistant that triggers alerts and sends emails to my self-hosted e-mail server and blinks all my lights, my OpenVPN-on-the-openwrt router remote access technique, my self-hosted Seafile cloud, my self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV calendar and contacts, my mopidy/snapcast whole-home audio with local MP3s, my on…

are you using frigate or what for the video?

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#132

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In other parts of the world the police get a call saying there is an armed individual threatening to hurt hostages and they send a single unarmed officer to knock on the door?

The comment didn’t say it was only a single officer or that they were unarmed.

That makes a huge difference, thank you.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #121

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> Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? I don't think that's what they're implying at all, given the context is about swatting.

They are more or less stating that the problem is overzealous responses from police, rather than police receiving a fake call for which a SWAT team would be an appropriate response. Do police in other countries simply not have the capacity to deal with people in imminent danger? Their response to getting a call claiming that there's a crazy person in the house about to murder the caller is to knock politely and ask q…

I can’t think of a single kind of situation requiring a police response where surprise escalation is a key component that will help solve that situation in favor of controlled investigation and a focus on de-escalation.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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https://twitter.com/ppathole/status/1116670170980859905 Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize. The only modification i'd recommend is replacing the gun with something simpler, like a sledgehammer. Can't be too careful.

Careful about that printer: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/11/hp-pr...

The question is: whether it would actually trigger the "lp%d on fire" error message?

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux...

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #50

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If I call the cops because some armed gunman is breaking into my house, I don’t want them to send some unarmed patrolman to politely knock on my door and check whether everything is okay.

By the time you make that call, regardless of who responds, you'll be dead OR the gunman will have what they want. Home invasions rarely result in hostage situations.

You haven't seen US houses. They call them McMansions for a reason. The intruders will still be searching the third hallway to nowhere while I'm comfortably calling the police from my summertime reading nook.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#136

https://twitter.com/ppathole/status/1116670170980859905 Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize. The only modification i'd recommend is replacing the gun with something simpler, like a sledgehammer. Can't be too careful.

As a sysadmin of many decades, I have not owned a printer in 15 years, and no self respecting tech worker I know would ever have one of them in their home.

I do have an enterprise grade network, next gen firewall, a homelab, and a host of vlans with home automation segmented off to a dedicated network with zero internet access

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #61

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This is a problem created and continued by phone companies. It wasn’t a huge problem before VoIP because the phone company networks didn’t allow everyone to forge sender info (SS7, not CallerID). When VoIP came along they didn’t put strict authentication in because it would have cost more, and that really opened things up. Right now, you could have extra caution for 911 calls which originate from VoIP. Pass a law tha…

Sounds easy, but I think you'll find that in practice, it's not so easy to just toss around murder (or accessory to murder) charges because something annoys you. Even if it annoys you a lot. It's a slippery slope from that to making basically anything a "murder" charge. Not saying you can't pass some sort of law or create some sort of penalty, but murder-related charges aren't going to fly.

Slippery-slope fallacies are bad to use, it's a slippery-slope to literally anything being called a "slippery-slope" to literally anything else. Eating beans causes more vandalism? Slippery slope! Poodles with weird haircuts cause global warming? Slippery-slope!

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

In other parts of the world the police get a call saying there is an armed individual threatening to hurt hostages and they send a single unarmed officer to knock on the door?

You see the police normally do this thing called investigation. I know here in the US the police have forgotten what that word even means, as they just react, often emotionally, jumping wildly to conclusions based on zero evidence.

You see not every police dept in the world has removed all investigation from the responsibility of their police forces..

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? 99% of calls in the US would be the exact normal response you said - police knock on the door and ask questions. The problem is the swatters know the exact type of call to make to elicit a SWAT response, usually involving someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed. The police can't just assume people making that kind of cal…

There is a HUGE range of responses from nothing Full On military Assault shooting everything that moves.

That fact that citizens of the US have simply accepted that the latter is even remotely a proper response to even "someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed" calls is both sadden, and maddening at the same time

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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post #131

I love my on-prem ip cams, my on-prem server that does the YOLOv5 image recognition and long-term storage, my Home Assistant that triggers alerts and sends emails to my self-hosted e-mail server and blinks all my lights, my OpenVPN-on-the-openwrt router remote access technique, my self-hosted Seafile cloud, my self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV calendar and contacts, my mopidy/snapcast whole-home audio with local MP3s, my on…

are you using frigate or what for the video?

I wrote my own Home Assistant custom component that's a thin wrapper around the YOLOv5 demo code. That's enough to detect objects as people, dogs, cats, etc. and trigger things in home assistant. I haven't seen frigate actually so I should check it out. Thanks.
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