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Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I’m surprised you feel the need to explain yourself to a comment like this

Seemed like a genuine question, I was trying to help by explaining my perspective.

seemed to me like an extremely passive aggressive comment with a tone not worth replying to

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

> But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic Jack linked to nostr which tries to solve some of these problems: https://nitter.it/jack/status/1603945963944480768 > The problem with Mastodon and similar programs: - User identities are attached to domain names controlled by third-parties; - Server owners can ban you, just like Twitter; Se…

You can easily achieve the same with ActivityPub relays and a few small tweaks - if this turns out to actually.be useful it'd be easy to provide gatewaying relays for those who care.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

Musk's behavior in this whole thing seems far from competent.

He's the CEO of five companies and he just landed in Qatar to party at the world cup. His worth ethic is suspect and the stuff of myths. Supposedly he never stops working but he's an expert at Elden Ring.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I am an admin of a small instance that most likely isn't on Twitter's block list, so my profile name and description could report the link to my Mastodon profile without getting me banned.

However, even without a ban from their side, this has really been the last nail in the coffin between me and Twitter. Suspending accounts for posting links to another (open-source) social network is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start listing them.

So I've decided to permanently deactivate my account and say goodbye for good to the stinky fascist shithole that Twitter has become.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

I think I'm in the same demographic as you, but I don't see it as negatively. Most of the issues you mentioned don't bother me as much or could be fixed.

The only thing that concerns me is the risk of defederation. Why would anyone want to run an instance if they (and their users) are at the risk of being excluded on the whim of a small and intransparent group of people?

I mean so far moderation on Mastodon seems to work, but it still does not sit right with me that we basically replaced a dictatorship with the (benevolt) oligoply of the group of most popular server's owners.

In the end it's all a matter of trust and it would be good if more organizantions ran their own instances so that we would have bigger plurality of large instances.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

I just downloaded the app for a second time and tried to create an account. I failed. I thought I'd try mastodon.social but couldn't find it on any of the lists so chose the search option. Found it but it wouldn't let me register an account. Go go site, there's a register button but rather than taking me to a signup form I just get a big wall of text about how I can't be a sexist or a transphobe. Fine, I won't. But w…

So you pre-decided to sign up for a specific instance which was closed to signups and is then surprised you can't sign up.

Go to joinmastodon.org or instances.social, not directly to a specific instance.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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There have been several reports of people updating their profile with links to their Mastodon profile only to be told by Twitter that the update failed because it contained malware and other such issues.

It's just easier and faster to implement a 'block-all' filter and refine it later if needed. The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done.

> The outrage is pretty hilarious given that less than 0.0001% of Twitter users even know what is Mastodon. No one cares that your precious Mastodon instance got filtered for a few days. No harm done.

There you go. The outrage is a storm in a tea cup and Twitter has done this before in the past [0] with only techies here having a tantrum about it. It is indeed hilarious to see this manufactured outrage as people struggle to bother signing up to Mastodon as the 200M+ daily active users on Twitter still do not care to move.

The moment users ask, 'which server do I sign up to? It says, sign ups are closed. Find another instance' or and when journalists realize their reach is limited because the instance they signed up on got permanently banned by other instances [1] then it isn't surprising to see why many of the 200M+ Twitter users haven't bothered to move anywhere else.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607941

[1] https://twitter.com/ajaromano/status/1594432548222152705

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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You can export your data and move it to another server. If you're banned on Twitter, you're done. Also, complete failures like banning important stories, banning presidents, banning journalists etc. cannot happen on Mastodon the same way that it has happened countless of times on Twitter and will continue happening. Mastodon is obviously superior when it comes to the freedom of speech. Elon is afraid, because he know…

What if your server that is run by a hobbyist suddenly shuts down without any notice? If they had an accident for example or they got hacked or whatever

If you're concerned about that, back up regularly, or pick an instance not run by a hobbyist, or run your own, or pay one of the commercial hosters to do it for you.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

Lol. Kneecapping competitors is what billionaires do. You dont win capitalism by following all the rules.

How many users will stay on Twitter because of this? And how many will leave because of it?

My guess: it's an extra indication that Twitter is not a reliable platform to build an audience.

Billionaires are billionaires because they build a product that everybody wants.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

I just downloaded the app for a second time and tried to create an account. I failed. I thought I'd try mastodon.social but couldn't find it on any of the lists so chose the search option. Found it but it wouldn't let me register an account. Go go site, there's a register button but rather than taking me to a signup form I just get a big wall of text about how I can't be a sexist or a transphobe. Fine, I won't. But w…

That server is swamped with registrations and had to pause them. Pick another.
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